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Old 12-01-2002, 01:38 PM   #1
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Default rally schools?

I was hoping to ask Santa to send me to a rally race school. Are there any? Is one better than the other? Has anyone here ever gone? I know there are many track type or on road race schools.

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Old 12-01-2002, 04:04 PM   #2
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The general concensus is that if you want to learn, go to Team O'Neil.

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Old 12-02-2002, 12:47 PM   #3
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KC, I'm interested too. Do you have anymore info on Team O'Neil or will an internet search find it all?

Nevermind. Here it is:
http://www.team-oneil.com/index.htm
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Old 12-02-2002, 12:53 PM   #4
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The general concensus is that if you want to learn, go to Team O'Neil.

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which should be pretty close to to, only about 6 or 7 states away
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Old 12-02-2002, 01:06 PM   #5
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which should be pretty close to to, only about 6 or 7 states away
Huh???

OK... count the rally schools in the states. I count two worth going to. Team O'Neil in NH and the European one in GA or FL.

Rally instruction is a very speciailzed profession. You're not going to find them around every corner. People have commented in the past that Team O'Neil is the one worth going to. I was trying to be nice instead of saying 'do a search'.

If you're going to learn to drive rally, you're gonna have to travel. He asked the Best, no stipulations... and O'Neil is it.

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Old 12-02-2002, 01:40 PM   #6
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I looked into this in the recent past. Why in the world does it cost $1000 per day????

More power to him if he can stay busy. But good night folks, it sure as heck can't cost that much tto run that place.

Roy

Oh, I forgot, it does include lunch.
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Old 12-02-2002, 01:52 PM   #7
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It's ridiculous to price something based on cost. My violin teacher just sat there for an hour and charged me $$$. Didn't even provide lunch.

And in the old days, if you want to learn something from a master, you have to live with him, chop his woods, cook his meal, etc. Now, Tim only wants $1K/day from you.

He's doing it so that you can win prizes for yourself. If you find $1K/day too much, then look elsewhere, or learn it yourself.

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Old 12-02-2002, 02:07 PM   #8
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Gosh Ray, I didn't say he was porking his mom!

I also know a little about business; that "cost of goods sold" has no bearing on retail price.

I only said, it seems excessive, that's all.

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Old 12-02-2002, 02:16 PM   #9
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That's what quality racing schools tend to cost, look at Skip Barber's prices. Team O'Neil is so worth the money if you want to learn to drive. I've been several times and each time was better than the previous. BTW, they have no problems keeping busy.

Don't be a fool, go to school. You won't regret Team O'Neil.
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Old 12-02-2002, 02:23 PM   #10
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Some of us are looking at doing the 3-day school in the spring sometime. With enough people you can get a substantial discount off the listed pricing, but it's still not "cheap". No racing school is though, just look at some other professional racing schools like Skip Barber.
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Old 12-02-2002, 02:45 PM   #11
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I want to attend. I just did not want an ass reaming, a history lesson and a lesson in economics from someone who does not even know me.

Why do people find it so easy to be rude on the web?

Thank you very much for the kind and informative responses from the others.

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Old 12-02-2002, 03:09 PM   #12
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The general consensus from all of the drivers that I've met and spoken with, including the driver of our team, have all been to Tim's.

It *IS* an expensive thing to do, but for a lot of people spending a couple hundred bucks here and there for rallies just to learn? It all works out in the end.

Our driver basically said that he should have done Tim's years ago. He's been rallying for 4 years, and he just went back in April. *EVERY* event that he has finished since Tim's he has either won money, or a podium finish for his class. Before that, it was infrequent. The only reason we didn't finish our last event is that we had two flat tires on a stage that was 60k from service.

Spend the money, go to Tim's. It's cheaper in the winter because he has to worry less about road maintenance.
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Old 12-02-2002, 03:11 PM   #13
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Don't forget about the costs associated with maintaining his fleet of vehicles that you get to use and abuse.
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Old 12-02-2002, 07:14 PM   #14
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I was issued my Pro license after attending Tim's school. Great instruction, nice facility in scenic Franconia Notch, sense of humor that will crack you up, and boy can he drive and show you how its done.

European RallySchool now has a facility at Virginia International Raceway and built rally courses there so its not as far as Florida if you deciede to go that route.

The Sprongls are also supposedly teaching in Canada according to the graphics on their new Evo. Also highly reccomended.
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Old 12-02-2002, 07:28 PM   #15
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Maintaining a longggg private road was an expense that had never crossed my mind. My buddy's dad would yell at us if we drove the half mile farm lane over 10 mph, because of the high maintenance.

It looks like the first school is the one I will save for.

Roy
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Old 12-02-2002, 07:39 PM   #16
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The Sprongls are also supposedly teaching in Canada according to the graphics on their new Evo. Also highly reccomended.
Where in Canada? From SoCal, it's a nicer (and shorter) drive or flight to BC than all the way to the east coast of the US.
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Old 12-02-2002, 10:11 PM   #17
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Where in Canada? From SoCal, it's a nicer (and shorter) drive or flight to BC than all the way to the east coast of the US.
Their rally shop (Four Star Motorsports) is located in Georgetown, ON, CA, which is close to Toronto. It's actually alot closer than NH for me so it's something I may look into.
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Old 12-03-2002, 01:26 PM   #18
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Oh, great. Another one on the wrong side of the continent.*










*I meant "wrong" for me, not that there is anything wrong with being over there.
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Old 12-03-2002, 09:24 PM   #19
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thanks, thanks, thanks

sorry I didn't respond sooner, was gone for a few days.
I'll have to wait and see what school Santa deems best for me.

again thanks,
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Old 12-03-2002, 09:30 PM   #20
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thanks, thanks, thanks

sorry I didn't respond sooner, was gone for a few days.
I'll have to wait and see what school Santa deems best for me.

again thanks,
Max

I noticed you are in Cedarburg, there are a few of us that are looking to go to Tim O'Neil in the spring. The more we have going out there the cheaper it's going to be. You can go to www.rallycabal.com and look in the forums for more info.
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Old 12-04-2002, 12:30 AM   #21
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Eric(aka Geek Guy) already posted about my experience at Tim's, but here it is from the horses mouth so to speak.

I put off going to Tim's school due to the perceived(and actual cost). Bottom line, it costs me about $2K per rally to compete. It is well worth the $$ to go to Tim's if you want to learn car control and actually finish a rally! :-)

You will actually learn how to drive. As Tim explains, a lot of schools let you go out and play in the dirt(like some in the UK), but he and his instructors actually teach you what you need to know in a 1 on 1 setting.

If you want to rally, learn how to do it first. Don't spend your money fixing the car you just stuffed because you didn't understand car control. Rally racing is an extreme motorsport(that's why we all love it!), and the risks of damage to yourself, co-driver or car are quite high if you don't know what you're doing.

Bottom line though....you'll have much more fun and feel more confident behind the wheel after going to Tim's.

There's a new article in a magazine(I think European Car) about Tim's winter course on the newstand now. Good read.

Cheers! John
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Old 12-04-2002, 09:49 AM   #22
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Just read the article last night! It was very informative.

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Old 12-06-2002, 01:04 PM   #23
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Some of the SCCA regions on the west coast offer a 1-day rally school once per year. Check with them for details...

Ski Sawmill clubrally in PA (http://www.rallyright.com) has, in the past, offered a driving school in conjuction with a short club rally. This year the school got cancelled, but they're hoping to host it again next year. Total cost of school + rally is somewhere around $500. If you don't have a car, you could always co-drive.
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