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Old 12-01-2002, 08:36 PM   #1
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Default HID help

I was thinking about posting this in the Dress Up and Style forum, but most of the people there are WRX or Impreza owners so probably aren't to familar with our cars.

Anyway, I finally got my HID lights and installed them, they are great, but the only problem I'm having is with the wiring for the high beams. There is a jumper wire with a diode that is supposed to be spliced off the low beams that will keep the lights on when you turn on the high beams, but I haven't been able to get it to work correctly. Everytime I switch on my high beams, the lights go off. Does anyone know the correct way to wire it up? The instructions that came with the lights are incorrect, so they're not much help. I've probed around with a meter, and what from what I can tell it seems like either the headlights polairty is reversed (-12V, not +12V) or I've just got the connections wrong. Thanks
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Old 12-01-2002, 10:22 PM   #2
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wow
did you get the H4 dual beam kit??? what brand?? cuz we have a group buy going for HIDs now and I can grab Catz dual beam H4 for like 600 us

I would love and need to hear a review from you with all details, sorry can't help with the wiring
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Old 12-01-2002, 11:03 PM   #3
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I just got the regular H4 kit, so I lose my high beams. Does that katz have the moving reflector for the high beams, or is it actually a dual electrode bulb? I've seen those dual beam kits, but the ones I've seen didn't look all that sturdy and I've heard there were a lot of problems with them breaking. And I thought I read somewhere that some companies were going to start making a dual electrode bulb, but for the amount of time I use the highbeams, I don't think it's worth it. By the time the lights warm up, you're probably switched them off anyway. I'm planning on replacing the useless stock foglights with something better to compensate for the loss in high beams.

If anybody is considering upgrading, I would say it's well worth the money if you do a lot of driving at night. My main concern was the beam pattern, I didn't want to be blinding oncoming drivers with my headlights. I made sure that the replacement HID bulb would give a similar beam pattern as the stock headlights, and from comparing the two, I would say it's almost identical. Also, I wanted a kit that was plug and play, partially because I didn't want to have to cut into the stock wiring and also because I was lazy. The Hella kit is pretty good, if I ever wanted to go back to stock, all I have to do is unplug the wires going to the ballasts and plug in a stock bulb, it's as easy as changing a headlight.

Total installation time was around 1-2 hours, most of that was figuring out where I wanted to install the ballast, and trying to solve the wiring problem. If I had to do it again, it's probably more like a 15 minute job, probably less if the inside of your engine compartment is pretty clean and don't have to wipe it down like I did to mount the ballast. I'll try and take some pictures and stuff to show you. I've only used it for two days, but I love it already. You'll never realize how crappy the stock headlights are until you compare the two side by side.

Oh yeah, I bought my lights from Str8out's contact, he sells them for less than $400. I had some trouble with him at first, some miscommunications, but eventually we worked everything out and I got my lights. His website is misterjung.com, so check him out if you're thinking about it.
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Old 12-02-2002, 12:17 AM   #4
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I don't want to loose high beam
the dual beam light (new generation) has changing focus distance so it provides high beam in appropriate way
I've heard only one thing one time that dual beam kit has kinda bad low beam
but I asked the guy who's organizing the group buy, he gave me a brochure of Catz, and it showed that low beam in dual beam kit is same as in single beam one....
I am still thinking

can you make some pics from out of car?
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Old 12-02-2002, 02:20 AM   #5
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What kind of pictures do you want? looking at the car? or the beam pattern on the street. If I have time, I'll try and put the original bulb back on one side so you can compare the two.
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Old 12-02-2002, 03:14 AM   #6
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Default Creating problems......

I hope you know what kind of problems you're going to have, ducktapeguy. Remember that venison stew on the hoof? I can just imagine how it's going to be trapped in those HID's of yours....

I'd be really interested in seeing these up close and personal if we can meet up somewhere.

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Old 12-02-2002, 06:43 PM   #7
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actually I'd love to see and to compare if it's not hard for you from the driver's seat...

I am now seriously thinking of the dual beam HID H4 from Catz...
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Old 12-02-2002, 07:56 PM   #8
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Roo,
If I had the lights before the rally, maybe that deer would've been scared away a little earlier. Whenever you're around, come check them out. I'd like to compare them with ferretboy's lights too.

Hyper,
I don't have a digital camera, but I'll try and take some pictures and scan them in or at least capture a few frames from my camcorder. The beam pattern looks pretty much like the stock beam pattern, only brighter and whiter, and maybe a bit more cutoff. Maybe because the increase in brightness between the HID and stock just makes the cutoff seem sharper, I don't know. The dual beams sound good, but I didn't want to spend an extra couple hundred dollars for that feature. I'd rather put the money into upgrading the foglights or driving lights. Even if you use your highbeams a lot, wouldn't you rather have more light than re-directed light?
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Old 12-03-2002, 01:59 AM   #9
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I am also thinking of blacking out my headlights, like the WRX and GC8 headlight mod, so I hope I won't screw that up

yeah, would be very usefull if you could make the pics
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Old 12-03-2002, 01:37 PM   #10
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Blacking out your headlights? never heard of it? Is it like tinting your headlights?

Hyper, have you checked on these lights?

http://www.hidkits.com/whats_new_9003_bi_xenon.htm

You'll have both the high and low beams with this conversion, I didn't check to see if they made if for H4 bulbs. Wait, i think they said the 9003 and H4 is the same
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Old 12-03-2002, 02:03 PM   #11
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Isn't the blacks cover that goes over your lights? Why would you want to do that? Don't they limit the light output?
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Old 12-03-2002, 02:16 PM   #12
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Hyper,
In case you couldn't wait, here are some beam shots of someone's car with one of those dual beam kits. It should give you a pretty good idea of what i'll look like in your subaru, I think mine looked pretty similar to what he had.

http://home.attbi.com/~hyc_sub2/light2/
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Old 12-03-2002, 05:06 PM   #13
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LOL
OMG where did you find this "dual beam" ??
that is nasty lol

this is crap, waste of money, it only changes the mirrow of the beam = BS

real dual beam (like Catz, one I am considering) has CHANGING focus distance = real high beam!

I am not sure about second link though....

blacking the lights => look what I mean, at this photo and notice how dark it is around the headlight projector, in life it's white or whatever (nevermind the dude, it's me )

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Old 12-03-2002, 05:24 PM   #14
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Yeah, that is pretty nasty, which is why I didn't want to get something like that. Acutally, that second link is the beam shots with HID lights bought from the above link. I meant to put it both in one post, but i forgot. I don't know what the catz dual beam looks like, but wouldn't it be the same concept? changing the placement of the bulb relative to the reflector? Also, Does blacking out the headlights reduce the headlight intensity?


btw, you're one scary looking dude.

I found the lights you're talking about, is this it?

http://www.autobulbdepot.com/fr_catz...21770415181981

looks like it's pretty good quality. But I dunno, high temperature + small moving parts + delicate electronics = problems. I haven't heard much about them, maybe they're too new

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Old 12-03-2002, 06:42 PM   #15
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yeah, that's the right one!

blacking does not influence the intensivity since I am not blacking the reflector
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Old 12-04-2002, 05:07 PM   #16
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Ducktapeguy- I did a home made conversion on my 00 rs and it works fine, I wired the high switch to turn on my fogs. I wonder if you just reversed the diode would solve the problem- I think Subes switch the ground side and the kit is probably set up for the more common switched hot. Haven't tried this on my Forester., but the wiring seems about the same. Steve
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Old 12-04-2002, 06:41 PM   #17
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gnome,
thanks for the info. I was thinking maybe the diode was reversed, but it came in the kit pre wired with a connector to plug into the stock wiring plug, so I would've had to cut the plug off and reconnect it on the other end of the diode. But before I did any cutting and splicing, I wanted to double check how everyone else had it setup. I found out that the subes use a switched ground setup for the high beams, so someone told me to ground my HID's directly to the chassis and that'll solve my problem.

how did you set up the high beam switch to turn on your fogs? Did you switch the fog and high beam wires at the relay? Or did you run new wires from the headlight plug down to the fog? I want to use the high beam switch for driving lights, so I'm trying to figure out how I want to wire it up.

Also, anybody have any suggestions for lighting? I don't really want to change out the stock foglights housings because I like the way they look, but they're pretty much useless. Should I just put different bulb in there or go for all new lights mounted on the front bumper? HID fogs would be nice, but expensive, option but I don't have the money for that.
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