Exhaust idea, gimme some feedback

MattDell · 12-01-2002, 10:05 PM

Yeah, I'm thinkin' way ahead on my mod list, I'll be lucky if I can afford this within 6 months, but here goes..

Would a good exhaust be a Prodrive WR Sport muffler with custom piping to borla headers? I don't want it to sound ricey, but a nice, mean sound would be good, and I would like it to be pretty quiet at low RPMs. I wouldn't mind some good performance gains, either.

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Impulsivegoat23 · 12-01-2002, 11:01 PM

You saw what i have on my other thread. Ganzflow, Borla header, and Apex'i 2.5"-3.0"......my car sounds mean......someone last night described it as a V8 crossed with a motorcycle.....personally I don't hear the motorcycle in it (unless he meant the engine revving), and the night before that someone asked my if it was just a 4-cyl. cause it sounded low and grumbly like a V8. I love it...not nasal sounding like most of the Honda's I've heard, much lower. I might be looking into some custom 2.25" or 2.5" piping just to get a little backpressure back until I turbocharge her.

RaceCarRiot · 12-02-2002, 12:31 PM

yes, you will have an awesome sounding exhaust...

i have the WR sport on my car, and it has that lovely turbo boxer rumble, without being overly rumbly...it almost has a BMW inline 6 low 'hum' to it at the same time. quiet, very low-key looking, but still noticeable enough when you get on it. stomp it when some hondaboy next to you is trying to start something, and it just sounds angry and irritated...kind of like the exhaust equivalent of a doberman that's just been rudely awakened.

i'm hoping to get some borlas breathing into it very soon...

i've heard the full borla exhaust plenty of times, and just the thought of that combined with what's already on the car has me salivating.

-adam-

MalakingTiti · 12-02-2002, 12:36 PM

I have the Borla exhaust system except for the headers and I love the way it sounds. More people hate it than love it though quite honestly since it tends to be a bit loud, but like I said. I love it.

RaceCarRiot · 12-02-2002, 12:50 PM

gee, thanks a lot...just thinking about the borlas made me cave in and order them from ISR...

Silverscooby27 · 12-02-2002, 04:11 PM

I've actually had some goofy domestic guys ask me if I've had a V8 swap before.

MattDell · 12-02-2002, 05:26 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Silverscooby27
I've actually had some goofy domestic guys ask me if I've had a V8 swap before.

Well what exhaust do you have? I really don't want my car to sound like a Mustang. My brother used to have one and it sounded like ****, though he did have flomasters.. Anyways, is the V8 sound a good one?

Impulsivegoat23 · 12-03-2002, 12:43 AM

It's not quite the same as a V-8...just sounds similar,and it's the easiest way to describe it....i.e the low ground thumping grumble......I'd suggest finding someone with the stuff on their car and hear it. I don't think a wav file would do the sound justice. It is much meaner/cooler sounding in person. Then again maybe I'm biased.

idealrides · 12-03-2002, 12:51 AM

It seems like anything you do to modify the boxer will make it deep and rumbly sounding. The only variable is the loudness.

Let me illustrate:

Buy a high-flow catback. Now she sounds like a V8.
Buy a Prodrive axleback. Now she sounds like a quiet V8.
Disconnect your axleback. Now she sounds like a loud V8.

RaceCarRiot · 12-12-2002, 08:59 AM

Cobreth -- after living with my new borla/prodrive setup for almost a week now, and i can wholeheartedly reccommend it.

it's every thing i described below, but the headers take it to a whole new level of bliss...it adds the wonderfully threatening rumble a WRX with a straight through "muffler" (like a tanabe/apex'i) makes while engine braking. it's a bit louder than before outside the car, but still nowhere near being LOUD. inside at cruise, the car is actually quieter. now i just need to get the random hi-flow cat and a stromung SS midpipe to replace this WRX one...

yeah, i don't get where the V8 comparison comes from either...just imagine the nice deep growl of an older aircooled 911 (minus the clattering) crossed with the sharper exhaust pulses of a BMW flat twin...

jetfan8178 · 12-13-2002, 03:55 PM

Best overall exhaust for a N/A RS would be a stromung 2.25 catback with a random gen4 high flow cat.

The borla header is a waste of money unless you are trying to save weight.It does nothing.

RaceCarRiot · 12-13-2002, 04:40 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by jetfan8178
Best overall exhaust for a N/A RS would be a stromung 2.25 catback with a random gen4 high flow cat.

The borla header is a waste of money unless you are trying to save weight.It does nothing.

flat out, it doesn't feel much faster, but the improvement in the midrange is noticeable, and the engine runs much smoother...then again the stock manifold on my car was probably an older, less efficient design than the OEM EJ25's.

but yes, if you're looking for big gains throughout, you'll be better off coughing up the bucks for the brullens or the TWE headers. now all i need is the random tech to remove that last bottleneck...

jetfan8178 · 12-13-2002, 05:05 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by RaceCarRiot

flat out, it doesn't feel much faster, but the improvement in the midrange is noticeable, and the engine runs much smoother...then again the stock manifold on my car was probably an older, less efficient design than the OEM EJ25's.

but yes, if you're looking for big gains throughout, you'll be better off coughing up the bucks for the brullens or the TWE headers. now all i need is the random tech to remove that last bottleneck...

I had the Brullens before I got the Borla.

They are twice as useless as the borla.

No power gain whatsoever and the low quality ceramic coat and assembly cause several install issues as well as leaks.

Chuck · 12-14-2002, 04:41 PM

I've got the MRT setup with a leak between the cat and midpipe... sound like a pissed off Subaru to me.

RaceCarRiot · 12-16-2002, 08:29 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by jetfan8178

I had the Brullens before I got the Borla.

They are twice as useless as the borla.

No power gain whatsoever and the low quality ceramic coat and assembly cause several install issues as well as leaks.

well, at least my headers are only useless X 1...

MY99 2.5GT · 12-16-2002, 03:16 PM

Best Performance/Cheapest - MRT with Straight through muffler

Best Sound - Borla Headers/Random Tech Cat/Stromung(or other) Cat Back

Seems like nothing compares to those un-equel length Borla Headers. Definitely different then any other 4 cylinder exhaust I have heard.

Brad

jetfan8178 · 12-16-2002, 04:29 PM

For sound, looks, weight, ease of installation, customer support, and price I say go with Borla.

I cant say enough good about them.

Performance wise no header will make a worthwhile increase in power on a N/A 2.5.Its impossible to get the correct size and length primaries because the ports of each engine bank are too far from each other.

RaceCarRiot · 12-16-2002, 05:03 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by jetfan8178
For sound, looks, weight, ease of installation, customer support, and price I say go with Borla.

I cant say enough good about them.

Performance wise no header will make a worthwhile increase in power on a N/A 2.5.Its impossible to get the correct size and length primaries because the ports of each engine bank are too far from each other.

gotcha...just glad i didn't cough up another $100 + shipping for a used set of brullens.

like i said...the main reason i got them was the lovely sound. call me superficial/phony/ricey if you will...

my gas mileage does seem to be a bit better though...on a 200mi trip this weekend at a constant 90 (4000rpm in 5th), i managed a hair over 30mpg.

12-01-2002, 10:05 PM	#1
MattDell Scooby Guru Member#: 16803 Join Date: Mar 2002 Chapter/Region: International Location: London, England	Exhaust idea, gimme some feedback Yeah, I'm thinkin' way ahead on my mod list, I'll be lucky if I can afford this within 6 months, but here goes.. Would a good exhaust be a Prodrive WR Sport muffler with custom piping to borla headers? I don't want it to sound ricey, but a nice, mean sound would be good, and I would like it to be pretty quiet at low RPMs. I wouldn't mind some good performance gains, either. * Registered users of the site do not see these ads.

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12-01-2002, 11:01 PM	#2
Impulsivegoat23 Scooby Newbie Member#: 25761 Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Smyrna,TN Vehicle: 2002 2.5 RS Alpine White	You saw what i have on my other thread. Ganzflow, Borla header, and Apex'i 2.5"-3.0"......my car sounds mean......someone last night described it as a V8 crossed with a motorcycle.....personally I don't hear the motorcycle in it (unless he meant the engine revving), and the night before that someone asked my if it was just a 4-cyl. cause it sounded low and grumbly like a V8. I love it...not nasal sounding like most of the Honda's I've heard, much lower. I might be looking into some custom 2.25" or 2.5" piping just to get a little backpressure back until I turbocharge her.

12-02-2002, 12:31 PM	#3
RaceCarRiot Scooby Specialist Member#: 6542 Join Date: May 2001 Chapter/Region: South East Vehicle: 1997 Ver IV silver	yes, you will have an awesome sounding exhaust... i have the WR sport on my car, and it has that lovely turbo boxer rumble, without being overly rumbly...it almost has a BMW inline 6 low 'hum' to it at the same time. quiet, very low-key looking, but still noticeable enough when you get on it. stomp it when some hondaboy next to you is trying to start something, and it just sounds angry and irritated...kind of like the exhaust equivalent of a doberman that's just been rudely awakened. i'm hoping to get some borlas breathing into it very soon... i've heard the full borla exhaust plenty of times, and just the thought of that combined with what's already on the car has me salivating. -adam-

12-02-2002, 12:36 PM	#4
MalakingTiti Scooby Newbie Member#: 30382 Join Date: Nov 2002 Vehicle: 2002 WRX WRB Wag-gone	I have the Borla exhaust system except for the headers and I love the way it sounds. More people hate it than love it though quite honestly since it tends to be a bit loud, but like I said. I love it.

12-02-2002, 12:50 PM	#5
RaceCarRiot Scooby Specialist Member#: 6542 Join Date: May 2001 Chapter/Region: South East Vehicle: 1997 Ver IV silver	gee, thanks a lot...just thinking about the borlas made me cave in and order them from ISR...

12-02-2002, 04:11 PM	#6
Silverscooby27 Scooby Specialist Member#: 9124 Join Date: Aug 2001 Chapter/Region: MAIC Location: Dayton, OH Vehicle: 2013 Mustang GT/CS 2013 Ford Focus ST	I've actually had some goofy domestic guys ask me if I've had a V8 swap before.

12-03-2002, 12:43 AM	#8
Impulsivegoat23 Scooby Newbie Member#: 25761 Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Smyrna,TN Vehicle: 2002 2.5 RS Alpine White	It's not quite the same as a V-8...just sounds similar,and it's the easiest way to describe it....i.e the low ground thumping grumble......I'd suggest finding someone with the stuff on their car and hear it. I don't think a wav file would do the sound justice. It is much meaner/cooler sounding in person. Then again maybe I'm biased.

12-03-2002, 12:51 AM	#9
idealrides Scooby Specialist Member#: 10314 Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: St. Martin Vehicle: 03 WRX 325hp SOLD! 06 Jeep SRT8 - 450hp	It seems like anything you do to modify the boxer will make it deep and rumbly sounding. The only variable is the loudness. Let me illustrate: Buy a high-flow catback. Now she sounds like a V8. Buy a Prodrive axleback. Now she sounds like a quiet V8. Disconnect your axleback. Now she sounds like a loud V8.

12-12-2002, 08:59 AM	#10
RaceCarRiot Scooby Specialist Member#: 6542 Join Date: May 2001 Chapter/Region: South East Vehicle: 1997 Ver IV silver	Cobreth -- after living with my new borla/prodrive setup for almost a week now, and i can wholeheartedly reccommend it. it's every thing i described below, but the headers take it to a whole new level of bliss...it adds the wonderfully threatening rumble a WRX with a straight through "muffler" (like a tanabe/apex'i) makes while engine braking. it's a bit louder than before outside the car, but still nowhere near being LOUD. inside at cruise, the car is actually quieter. now i just need to get the random hi-flow cat and a stromung SS midpipe to replace this WRX one... yeah, i don't get where the V8 comparison comes from either...just imagine the nice deep growl of an older aircooled 911 (minus the clattering) crossed with the sharper exhaust pulses of a BMW flat twin...

12-13-2002, 03:55 PM	#11
jetfan8178 Scooby Guru Member#: 15669 Join Date: Feb 2002 Chapter/Region: TXIC Location: Gimmick Motorsports Vehicle: 2009 Cadillac STS-vvvvvvvvvv	Best overall exhaust for a N/A RS would be a stromung 2.25 catback with a random gen4 high flow cat. The borla header is a waste of money unless you are trying to save weight.It does nothing.

12-14-2002, 04:41 PM	#14
Chuck Scooby Specialist Member#: 791 Join Date: Jan 2000 Location: Danbury, CT 06810 Vehicle: 1998 Impreza RS Brilliant Red	I've got the MRT setup with a leak between the cat and midpipe... sound like a pissed off Subaru to me.

12-16-2002, 03:16 PM	#16
MY99 2.5GT Scooby Specialist Member#: 5030 Join Date: Mar 2001 Chapter/Region: MAIC Location: Martinsburg, WV, USA Vehicle: 1999 Legacy 2.5GT 05 Legacy GT 06 Armada	Best Performance/Cheapest - MRT with Straight through muffler Best Sound - Borla Headers/Random Tech Cat/Stromung(or other) Cat Back Seems like nothing compares to those un-equel length Borla Headers. Definitely different then any other 4 cylinder exhaust I have heard. Brad

12-16-2002, 04:29 PM	#17
jetfan8178 Scooby Guru Member#: 15669 Join Date: Feb 2002 Chapter/Region: TXIC Location: Gimmick Motorsports Vehicle: 2009 Cadillac STS-vvvvvvvvvv	For sound, looks, weight, ease of installation, customer support, and price I say go with Borla. I cant say enough good about them. Performance wise no header will make a worthwhile increase in power on a N/A 2.5.Its impossible to get the correct size and length primaries because the ports of each engine bank are too far from each other.