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Old 12-05-2002, 02:29 PM   #1
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Default OT: Subaru Impreza or Nissan 240SX?

I'm looking into both these cars. With the budget I'm aiming for, here's what I've come up with so far.

Nissan 240SX (1993-1996):
Pros:
a) RWD fun.
b) Performance sport handling
c) Rear disc brakes
d) Styling

Cons:
a) Very tight rear seating.
b) Snow driving and wet weather driving.
c) Insurance?
d) An older car = rust?


Subaru Impreza TS (1998-1999):
Pros:
a) AWD in snow and wet weather
b) 4 door seating (seat 4 people relatively comfortably). 2 door is still less cramped than 240SX, right?
c) Boxer engine balancing.

Cons:
a) 142hp/147 torque. Not as high as 240SX.
b) Rear drum brakes
c) 2.5RS cost quite a lot more. (beyond budget)

Both cars weigh almost pretty much the same weight:
Nissan 240SX (1995): 2753 lbs.
Subaru Impreza L 4dr (1998): 2690 lbs

And both cars run at about the same gas mileage, although the L is a bit better.

I know I'm gonna get some biased answers, but I've posted this a few places to get everyone's opinion. Just wanting to weigh the pros and cons of each. If there is anything I missed, please tell me.
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Old 12-05-2002, 02:30 PM   #2
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2.5RS cost quite a lot more. (beyond budget)
hehe I hate to be anal, but how is that a CON of the TS? if anything, it's a pro...

might be a con of getting a subaru....
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Old 12-05-2002, 02:37 PM   #3
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240SX! Have you seen Don Nimi's 240SX? PDM racing seems to specialize in tuning those cars...
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Old 12-05-2002, 03:21 PM   #4
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I'd go for the 240 if it is between those options. I think you'd have far more fun with it. Rain and snow in Vancouver are not that bad. As long as you have a good set of tires and your driving matches the conditions you should be fine.
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Old 12-05-2002, 03:51 PM   #5
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if u love driving the 240sx is loads of fun. but it is an aging car so be ready for issues. and if have a heavy right foot be alert for slippery conditions because it will make your hair go white
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Old 12-05-2002, 05:20 PM   #6
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It all depends where you live. Where I live, I would pick the TS b/c I need AWD. But if I lived in say Vancouver, I'd pick the 240 just becaues its a funner car, and I am a fun kinda guy... ... all joking aside, yeah, I'd go for the 240. Exactly what Ben and Jamie said pretty much.

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Old 12-05-2002, 07:32 PM   #7
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An interesting fact my brother has a 240sx and I have an impreza TS. Here's the break down, both cars are fun to drive in their own sense. Power wise my car and my brother's car is pretty equal. If you’re a person with a family then the 240 is not a good choice as the back seat is not really accessible. It all comes down to what you want though, a sports car with wicked looks and good power or a sporty grocery getter with good power and is practicable.

Hope that helps
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Old 12-05-2002, 08:02 PM   #8
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The only Nissan I have driven was the 02 Sentra SER when I was comparing it with the 02 TS that I ended up buying. I will admit, i'm not familiar with the older 240s, but found the Subaru's interior and overall design of the engine bay, storage, etc. to be superior to the Nissan product when comparing dollar for dollar. I also realized the Subaru would be easier for me to do my own general maintenance to keep the cost of ownership down.

In the end, the main thing that pushed me to Subaru was the AWD. I have had three or four new cars in my lifetime (Mitsubishi, VW, Suzuki), and the Subaru by far beat them in personal tastes for handling in all weather conditions.

Either way, a new toy is a good thing!

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Old 12-05-2002, 08:08 PM   #9
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240!!!!
you'll actually have more fun not only in dry weather but also in wet weather!!!!! so, i would consider this is a pros!!
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Old 12-05-2002, 08:51 PM   #10
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Hmm... practical vs sporty, eh?

Well, I don't have a family, but I sometimes drive friends around. 60-70% of the time, its usually just myself and another passenger.
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Old 12-05-2002, 11:56 PM   #11
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Does the 240 have the SR20DE or the K-something truck engine?
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Old 12-06-2002, 12:03 AM   #12
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K, unless someone did an engine swap. That's why it is a 240, not a 200.
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Old 12-06-2002, 12:17 AM   #13
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KA24DE.

An SR20DET swap is entirely possible, though.

We North Americans got the KA24DE, while the lucky people on the other side of the Pacific (and Atlantic) got the SR20DET.
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Old 12-06-2002, 11:01 AM   #14
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Ah, just as I was thinking. SCC once featured a 240SX with that same engine. The guy went thru at least 3 of them in the quest of making more power. May be Don can hook you up with a new engine. He seem to be a 240 specialist.
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Old 12-06-2002, 11:35 AM   #15
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Don has imported a bunch of front clips from Japan and will continue to do so. You can get the SR20det as well as silvia headlights and other parts off the front of the vehicle. Very nice swap to do.
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Old 12-06-2002, 01:21 PM   #16
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i'm still waiting for news about aircare and the sr20det... there are at least 4 that i've seen in person, and others running around, but i don't know if they pass or not

i have a friend who has one, and it's a blast to drive, but he lives in squamish where aircare is not required... bastard
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Old 12-06-2002, 03:41 PM   #17
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Well this is the second time I am going to try to post this, I guess I took to long, wrote to much the first time I tried resonding to this. So I am going to make it short this time. I have ridden, drove both cars, in stock and modded form. For me, I have always been a rally fanatic so I went Impreza. But for practicleness, with modding in mind, the 240 is the way to go. If you are worried about rear drums in Impreza, do the Legacy GT disk brake swap, easy, not to spendy. I am not sure on insurance, but have a feeling Impreza will be slightly cheaper, though it is AWD and that adds a little bit.
To me a rear wheel drive car, in the city is funner to drive because even with not as much power you can have fun, drift, get a little squirly... AWD you have to have more power or take things at different harder angles that are harder on your car.
I actually own a Impreza project that I have decided to part out and sell... but I have already decided to buy another Impreza. I am also helping my friend do a SR20DET swap into his car as we speak. He also has and was one of the first, if not the first to do the S15 light swap. Anyways, if you want to mod your car, go 240, it is cheaper, parts are easier to find, and for the most part cheaper to buy, mostly because of the volume of sales compared to the Impreza, but also because of the number of people modding 240's.
Well this is what I would do... of course I had this same internal battle and it went the other way, but mostly because I think the GC8 WRX/RS is a beautiful machine, and I love driving in the mountains/gravel roads... anything with a lose surface. Though I also love rear wheel drive cars, espicailly for daily drivers, more fun to take corners, go straight mad wheel spin... anyways.
Here is what I would do. I actually like the way the older, pre 95 240SX, fastback looks, even with pop up head lights. Only the fastback though. I would get one in decent shape, maybe tired engine. Buy a S13/180SX front clip. Do the SR20DET swap, which is actually very straight forward bolt in, except the damn wiring, but that is a bigger prob in a EJ20 swap. Buy better tires, do some suspension mods, and you have a better car then either of those. Oh, then if you want, dress it up... lazy eye headlight conversion, deep dish wheels, 180sx tailights,nice clean body kit... go Doluck(which you can get from GarageSPL here in Seattle) FMIC, bov, boost controller... oh you will need a fuel pump to do swap. Anyways, to make it short, do that, go old school 240sx fastback. You will have a car that can blow away just about anyone on the road, blow away a stock or even slightly modded WRX away... most of the time. Of course this is if you are a compintent driver for what the road conditions call for. So yeah... just my 3 cents. Good luck in your decision, and I have a lot more to spout out if you want more info on my thoughts, peace ~Erick
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Old 12-06-2002, 08:42 PM   #18
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thanks for that commentary, snwbrder206

I guess in making my decision I have to see if I'm gonna be hitting loose terrain if I want an Impreza.

I thnik the only real problem comes when our rare snow/ice season hits. I think rain is not a big deal because I'm not a fast driver.

What I was thinking was that a lower end Impreza (like an L) is not really "fun" to drive unless you:
a) go super fast speeds or hit loose terrain.
b) add a turbo.
Can someone please tell me if this true?

Also, I heard about Impreza trannies not being able to take too much abuse before they go... something about dropping the clutch? Or is this WRX only?
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Old 12-06-2002, 09:03 PM   #19
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wrx 5spd trannys have a history of breaking under high horsepower loading. hence the "glass tranny" name. it's really an abuse thing more or less... it can happen to many other makes and models.

i would try and get the best ej25 powered subaru u can afford. someone help me here because i can't remember whether it's the Phase 1 or Phase 2 that has problems...
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Old 12-06-2002, 10:04 PM   #20
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i would try and get the best ej25 powered subaru u can afford. someone help me here because i can't remember whether it's the Phase 1 or Phase 2 that has problems...
I know that from 1998, there's the EJ22 and the EJ25 (in the RS). I think EJ25 becomes standard on MY02 models of the Impreza TS.

Therefore, I'd be looking for a 2.5RS instead of a TS... hmm...
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Old 12-07-2002, 02:54 AM   #21
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And you think having 20 or so more hp and torque difference between the EJ22 and the EJ25 would make much difference to you when driving a 2900 or so pound car?

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What I was thinking was that a lower end Impreza (like an L) is not really "fun" to drive unless you:
a) go super fast speeds or hit loose terrain.
b) add a turbo.
Can someone please tell me if this true?

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And you think having 20 or so more hp and torque difference between the EJ22 and the EJ25 would make much difference to you when driving a 2900 or so pound car?

yes...
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To each it's own I guess...
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Old 12-07-2002, 01:16 PM   #24
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my friend has a 90 240sx that runs 11's without the nitrous he is selling, completely blueprinted and balanced 7.5:1 coated je pistons, custom ground turbo cams and a garret t3/t4 hybrid let me know if your interested. Oh the paint is a few different colered body panels lots of dents and scratches no a.c. but the car runs good just looks like the biggest hunk of crap on the road. It would prolly run 10's with the nitrous but he's never used it.
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Old 12-07-2002, 11:54 PM   #25
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I think I'm kinda looking into something that's in still relatively good condition, which is why I'm looking at a 95+ for the 240SX.

What would I need to do to get the same handling of a 2.5RS on an L or a TS?

Also, do the 1998 L engines come only with 137 hp? And the 1999 L gets upgraded to 142 hp?
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