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Old 12-07-2002, 03:10 AM   #1
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I don't know if you think I am crazy or stupid, probably a lot of both, but I am 21 and don't Know what the hell I want to do. I have been watching rallies since I was a kid, and have done some autocross, but I am going to step it up and do a couple of rallies towards the end of 03. Basically me and my dad had a long talk and he used to race SCCA and Nascar before it was huge, and I was talking of moving back to VA and go to Va-Tech, but I still don't know what I want to do, so I am going to work my tail off and make it to two rallies. I figure this is something I have been wanting(dreaming) to do for a loonnnnggg time, and I don't want to be old, or with a family with no money or time and think back,"Man I should have done what I wanted to do, but now..." you see what I am saying, thats kinda how my dad feels today about his racing career. So I am going to buy a rally car, for one of the classes, but I would like to hear some responses from some people who rally in the SCCA series and tell me, what would be best class for me to start out in. I was thinking Production, but I don't want to do that. Look, I am really confused on what I want to do for my life, but I want to do this for now or who knows for how long... Some insight on the whole Motorsport scene before the Rim of the World, and possible the Ramada Inn, would be more than appreciated. Subie Gal or anyone thats a regular help me out with your insight. PM me on car to look for and what to expect, becuase to tell you the truth, no one in my Region(So-Cal) really helps with this stuff(if you do sorry), as far as experience goes. And hopefully if all goes reasonably well, I will do a full season in a couple of years. Thanx for anyone reading this, and to those that respond thanks all the more.

FaTbOyRaLLy (confused youngin)
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P.S. I am ready to commit to whatever your suggestions are so please do so See you racin some day
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Old 12-07-2002, 03:28 PM   #2
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Production class or PGT are both good classes to start in. Production is usually less $ to start in, due to the car being less $, and less moving parts.
I started out in PGT in a '90 Legacy, and it's a kick in the pants. PGT is more competetive though, due to some of the newer, faster AWD cars out there (WRX, EVO, Eclipse/Talon). Some of the PGT drivers turn better times than OPEN cars, so they can be pretty fast. I opted for a 2.2 based car for reliability and ease of maintenance. DNFs keep many turbo cars from being competetive over the long haul. Reliability helps finish races...

The sport is not cheap though, so if you are worried about maintenance or entry expenses, or wrecking your car stick with Autocross. In rally, things break and cars get wrecked frequently. If you do pursue it, don't skimp on the safety gear, it'll keep you alive.

If you need more help or have any other questions, you can email or PM me.

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Old 12-07-2002, 04:10 PM   #3
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Cool someone replied, I was losing hope. No I pretty much know that I am going to have a different car by then end of the season, from all the parts being replaced. But safety is what I am looking most into right now. I think it will be a blast
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Old 12-07-2002, 09:07 PM   #4
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I picked a 2.5 RS and so did Jon Bottoms.
It has not failed us in toughness and ease of operation.
It has a good entry to finish ratio and needs almost no repairs.
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Old 12-07-2002, 09:25 PM   #5
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get a Group 2 Golf or something for cheap - if that doesn't sound fast enough for you it's the driver not the car. starting out in an RS in PGT is all well and good but check SpecialStage.com for many threads on starting AWD vs. FWD. If you insist on starting in an AWD car for performance reasons I'll put $20 on you crashing out of at least one of those two rallies you want to do! And no matter what you do get Rally Cross experience first, and either a navigator who knows what they are doing, or one you learn to cooperate with in TSDs or something first...

Granted I'm still in the Rally Cross experience stage while Randy Zimmer and Jon Bottoms have a heck of a lot more experience than I, but that means I'm not blinded by my own luck at chosing AWD!

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Old 12-07-2002, 11:21 PM   #6
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Thanks for the thread, I am going to check that out right now. FWD does sound better for a starter, and crashing out sounds like no fun
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Old 12-08-2002, 12:19 AM   #7
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Something I've seen no-one ever mention are the times I've made a small mistake and get in a ditch and get back out due to 4wd.
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As far as crashing, you don't have to go flat out just because you can. Having a car that's able to run the course quicker gives you some lee-way. Not being the in the slowest class and thus being time-barred if you do get in trouble. (having sweep the next car by makes a trip in a ditch a DNF) Getting seed points in 2wd classes is also harder so being in the back becomes a life-time profession.
I repeat, YOU have the pedal, pushing it down with both feet is not a prudent choice for a 1st time competitor. Others talk about banning 1st timers from faster cars, what we need are first timers with the brains to use the car wisely and finish. Rallys are tough enough for the car to survive alone, without tree plants and rolls too.
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Old 12-08-2002, 12:56 AM   #8
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I don't think starting in a AWD car means you are going to crash... There are all levels of AWD cars. There is a big difference between running a 145hp 2.2L Impreza and a 300+hp open class car. If I start out in rally it would be in a relatively underpowered AWD car. And like Randy said, cars have gas pedals and ultimately you control how fast they go. A 2.2L Impreza L isn't going to be competitive in its class imho, so why not start there and drive for experience and just finish rallies? Then when you get the experience you can drop the STi drivetrain into it.
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Old 12-08-2002, 10:27 AM   #9
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DWX - I totally agree with you, I just see a lot of newbies wanting to get a WRX as their first rally car because they can't accept anything slower and want to be ultra competitive. It's those guys that are a risk, and you aren't one of them! Doesn't appear that Fat Boy is either.

Fat Boy, check out Ben's Rally Page for some rally cars for sale.

A Golf for $6k - http://www.bensrallypage.com/forsale/charlie_golf.html

Another Golf for $6k (slightly ulgier!) - http://www.bensrallypage.com/forsale/steben_golf.html

A Dodge Colt turbo for $4,500 - http://www.bensrallypage.com/forsale/revan_colt.html

I'd look at the first Golf, but I honestly thought you could find them for less... You'll learn a lot more on Special Stage if you browse some of the posts on there.

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Old 12-08-2002, 02:09 PM   #10
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Thx for the threads, I have been looking on SpecialStage since yesterday and have been learning new stuff. It' like you guys have been saying, reliability is key. I would like to go fast, but from racing karts and bikes I have learned that if you improve your "skillz" and hold off a little bit to get some experience, one race you will substantially improve and you didn't even realize it because you had been working up towards it. I don't feel quite like and anymore, thanx everyone

P.S. I don't want to rally a WRX, I was thinking towards a VW Golf, well maybe an STI...
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Old 12-08-2002, 05:10 PM   #11
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I suggest going to Laughlin this weekend for the Ramada Express Int'l Rally. Check out Rally USA for details. Ask lots of questions, look at lots of cars, etc, etc. Most everyone is super nice and as long as they have the time they'll be willing to answer any questions.


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Old 12-08-2002, 11:56 PM   #12
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Thanks for the link, someone has mysterioulsy died in my family and I have to go to a funeral... a funeral in NV
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