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Old 12-10-2002, 09:30 AM   #1
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Angry Engine is eating Oil and Coolant but not leaking...

The past week or so my car has been eating coolant and oil like nothing. I don't get any heat when I am at idle (car is already fully warmed up) Every week I have to add a lot of coolant and I have to add about a 1/4qrt of oil a week. BTW-I run Mobil 1 syn. My car doesn't even have 7k miles on it but I am using TXS STG4 package along with a few other mics things. I have been running the STG4 for only about 2k miles now. The car doesn't feel as "peppy" anymore.

I sometimes can smell the coolant but never the oil burning. I don't see any signs of coolant in my oil at all either. There are no leaks on the ground. Do I have a cracked block?

Last night driving to the bar I noticed some white smoke coming from my turbo area. I checked it right away and there was no smoke anymore. I didn't smell any burning of oil.

So I continue to the bar and as soon as I pulled in and shut the car off, here came the white smoke. It smelled of coolant. At this point I checked the coolant levels and they were VERY low. I popped open the hood and didn't see smoke coming from the turbo. There was nothing leaking either. I did notice that the turbo sounded a bit funny last night. I figured this was from low coolant and oil. My oil was also about a 1qrt and a half low this morning after checking the oil 1 week ago.

I know the turbo might be going but can someone explain where all the coolant and oil is going? I am really puzzled. Any help would be great.
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Old 12-10-2002, 09:45 AM   #2
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What does your exhaust gas look like?
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Old 12-10-2002, 09:51 AM   #3
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What does your exhaust gas look like?
It is white.
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Old 12-10-2002, 09:58 AM   #4
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Unhappy sounds like trouble..

I'd check all the lines to turbo first.
If you haven't said if you have excessive
amounts of water vapor coming from your exhaust.
or it could be foul pcv line/valve...just guessing..
check for oil in the vaccum lines.
it might have blown a seal.
the sound could be bearing failure or
if you have bearing one, excessive friction
from turbo shaft..in other words have the turbo checked.

funnier things have happened from clogged pcv valve..

never melted one of these..flat 4 turbo's.
my 2 cents
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Old 12-10-2002, 10:03 AM   #5
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Something to do with the head, either cracked or the headgasket is gone. Hopefully the latter. Any emulision in the the oil?
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Old 12-10-2002, 10:04 AM   #6
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Something to do with the head, either cracked or the headgasket is gone. Hopefully the latter. Any emulision in the the oil?
I am thinking the samething.

I will redrain the oil after work and check.

Yes, I have noticed that there was been excessive smoke out of the exhaust.
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Old 12-10-2002, 10:16 AM   #7
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Get out the wrenches.
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Old 12-10-2002, 10:23 AM   #8
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Get out the wrenches.
I think for the first time I am not going to be doing the work myself. I am going to try and find the problem though.

If this requires any kind of engine internal work, I am bringing this to Rallispec.

I just do not have the time to rip the block apart.
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Old 12-10-2002, 10:25 AM   #9
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Make sure you eliminate all the causes, because even just a head gasket job can be damn costly.
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Old 12-10-2002, 12:37 PM   #10
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Old 12-10-2002, 12:47 PM   #11
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puffin white smoke?

head gasket
blown cylinder
blown turbo (??? this i think you would know )

i'd take it in and get it diagnosed...
dont recommend driving around on it and perhaps increasing/compounding the problem...

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Old 12-10-2002, 01:32 PM   #12
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Do you have a boost controler?
You may have over boosted, that would blow the head gasket, right.
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Old 12-10-2002, 01:42 PM   #13
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If this requires any kind of engine internal work, I am bringing this to Rallispec.

I just do not have the time to rip the block apart.
Sorry to hear about your car! You'll get it sorted out I'm sure. FYI Dave at Rallispec broke his thumb Sat., so you might have a to wait alil bit until they can work on your car since there is only one guy left there to do work until Dave feels better.
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Old 12-10-2002, 01:47 PM   #14
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On my last DSM the turbo developed a coolant leak internally, which caused alot of coolant to be burned out the exhaust. And I also lost some oil to. With your wrx how does it idle, is it rough does it stall, usually thats what happens when you blow your head gasket the car doesnt just lose power it runs very ruff. I would check the turbo first.
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Old 12-10-2002, 02:00 PM   #15
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Sorry to hear about your car! You'll get it sorted out I'm sure. FYI Dave at Rallispec broke his thumb Sat., so you might have a to wait alil bit until they can work on your car since there is only one guy left there to do work until Dave feels better.
Thanks for the heads up!

Do you know any other shops in the Tri-State area that do swaps or engine work?
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Old 12-10-2002, 02:03 PM   #16
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On my last DSM the turbo developed a coolant leak internally, which caused alot of coolant to be burned out the exhaust. And I also lost some oil to. With your wrx how does it idle, is it rough does it stall, usually thats what happens when you blow your head gasket the car doesnt just lose power it runs very ruff. I would check the turbo first.
The car idles very smooth and there is no hesitation. There is also no CEL either.

I'm starting to think that it might not be the trubo since it does still have some pull, just not as much. I would rather buy a new turbo then rebuilt or take apart the engine.

The car does feel like it lost power. It just doesn't haul arse like it use to.

QuickWRX, yes I am using the TXS HPMBC.

My current boost is set at 1.2 bar
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Old 12-10-2002, 04:04 PM   #17
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Any other ideas?
I don't know about your oil problem, but I had a radiator failure at 18K.
The seals at the spot where the plastic end tanks meet the aluminium core of the radiator failed, and were spraying coolant all over the engine compartment when the system was under pressure. Cold and just sitting, the car leaked nary a drop. I just noticed the mess from the dried anti-freeze all over a hose that was in the spray pattern.

Dealer replaced it under warranty, no questions asked. Haven't had a problem since.
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Just a question, do you run an oil catch can?
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Old 12-10-2002, 05:05 PM   #19
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Just a question, do you run an oil catch can?
Nope. I was planning on getting a catch can but after running into this problem, that is going to be pushed back.
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I was just wondering id you DID, that may be the problem, Austin had a problem with the way his was routed causing pressure problems causing oil flow problems ruining 2 of his turbos. So I guess you can rule that out...
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Old 12-10-2002, 05:11 PM   #21
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After talking to a few tuners, I am going to test the compression on each cylinder. If compression is good, I am going to check the head gasket and hope that is the cause.

If its a cracked block, looks like I am going to a stroker kit.

Anyone know who makes good head gaskets for the WRX? I am not looking into the factory one eiterh.
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Old 12-10-2002, 09:22 PM   #22
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Do you still have the stock turbo laying around? Maybe you could throw that on to rule out a turbocharger problem.


I'm curious to hear what the outcome is.
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Old 12-10-2002, 09:43 PM   #23
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I was just wondering id you DID, that may be the problem, Austin had a problem with the way his was routed causing pressure problems causing oil flow problems ruining 2 of his turbos. So I guess you can rule that out...
My problem didn't ruin the turbos - in fact they probably would've been fine without taking them apart and cleaning them up, but I did it anyway as a precaution.

Also, even though all the burning, my car never ate much oil. It oil takes a small amount of oil burning in the turbine housing to make a whole lotta smoke.
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Old 12-10-2002, 11:50 PM   #24
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Do you still have the stock turbo laying around? Maybe you could throw that on to rule out a turbocharger problem.


I'm curious to hear what the outcome is.
Nope. I sold the stock turbo a few weeks back.
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Old 12-11-2002, 12:46 AM   #25
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I'm still betting on a head/headgasket problem. Might have had a little detonation running at 1.2bar which upset things a little. The fact that you have white smoke leads me to believe that you definitely have coolant going through. I don't believe it is a turbo problem due to your losing both oil and water at the same time. Same diagnosis for a burned piston. However, god forbid, you also might have a cracked block around where the headgasket does it's sealing. It would have the same affect as a bad headgasket that's leaking where the oil and water galleries are closest.

Good luck!
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