WRX vs. Evo VII at Edmunds.com

sub25rs · 12-12-2002, 07:42 PM

I just went to see what was going on at Edmunds.com and they have an article on the WRX and the Evo. I havent read it yet. I have exams so Im going to reward myself when I get done.

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Scoobie Newbie · 12-12-2002, 08:10 PM

here is the link:
http://www.edmunds.com/reviews/compa...9/article.html

Their summary:
[So which one should you buy? Well, we can't make a final call until we test the full U.S.-spec Evolution and the U.S.-spec WRX STi. But when asked which car, as-is, they would buy (assuming the Evo stickered at about $30,000), both editors decided to go with the WRX. As one of them said, "It was less expensive and it had the better balance between performance and usability. If I had to drive one of these cars everyday, it'd be the WRX."]

ourformerselves · 12-12-2002, 08:22 PM

I couldn't get the page to load, but are they saying that the STi will be less than the EVO?

SubEd · 12-12-2002, 08:46 PM

They're saying "We don't know anything, but if we did, we'd offer an opinion."

jjunior887 · 12-12-2002, 08:49 PM

they tested the European market Evo against the USDM WRX and the testers perferred the WRX for everyday drivability not performance. the Evo trounced the WRX in just about everything according to the article.

Scoobie Newbie · 12-12-2002, 10:16 PM

I was always under the impression that for a true comparison the STi is the car to use not the WRX. That Evo had over 270 hp and over 270 ft.lbs torque.

Fat Tits · 12-12-2002, 10:18 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Scoobie Newbie
I was always under the impression that for a true comparison the STi is the car to use not the WRX. That Evo had over 270 hp and over 270 ft.lbs torque.

word!

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jjunior887 · 12-12-2002, 10:29 PM

I don't think they had access to the STI that's why they used the WRX. Either way another magazine did a test of the EDM evo andf sti and the evo won pretty much in every aspect.-James

ForceFed4 · 12-12-2002, 11:07 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by jjunior887
I don't think they had access to the STI that's why they used the WRX. Either way another magazine did a test of the EDM evo andf sti and the evo won pretty much in every aspect.-James

Yes, but that's an STi without all the changes that have been made (for JDM at the least). They apparently transform the car completely, so even comparisons between an EVO VII and current EDM STi basically mean nothing.

uncle cuervo · 12-13-2002, 02:43 AM

Lets not jump the gun!

I dont think any review or comparison is fair at this time until we see what mitsu and subaru actually bring to the U.S.
For all we know mitsu has watered down the EVO to meet U.S. standards and keep the price down. We all know that US and JDM are two different worlds.
And if the EVO does turns out to be a performance monster with a $30,000 price tag, my weapon of choice will still be a $23-24,000 WRX + $6-7,000 in carfully selected mods.

hyp36rmax · 12-13-2002, 03:11 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Scoobie Newbie
I was always under the impression that for a true comparison the STi is the car to use not the WRX. That Evo had over 270 hp and over 270 ft.lbs torque.

DITTO!

, i mean cmon its like comparing the STi with the cedia turbo! im telling you the media is swaying towards te EVO, when in no doubt its a tough call between the STi and the EVO, damn i love them both...

but you know something i do get a little irritated when i gt some ricer saying yeah in SCC the EVO whooped on your WRX....bah! well duh!?!?! they were comparing apples and oranges!

Anglophile · 12-13-2002, 04:40 AM

Just picked up the December edition of "Car" magazine, the Performance Car of the Year edition. Both the Euro spec STi and Evo VII made the top 10. STi at #7, Evo at #5. An excellent showing for both.

Some quotes:

"Sti... a far better daily proposition than the Evo".

"...Evo is actually better at doing its one trick: absolutely charging at, into and out of a corner. It's simply more grippy and precise than the Subaru... For the rest of the time the Evo is punishment: hard, raucous and strangely free of feel".

"It's the suspension that separates the Mitsu from its archrival, the softer Subaru. The Lancer sits firm and flat... "It's almost too taut, with the Evo feeling skittish even on average surfaces..."

Seems to be pretty much the consensus in all the British car magazines Evo, Car, Top Gear, Autocar.

EvoSix · 12-13-2002, 05:22 AM

Its going to be 271 hp 273 lb ft when the Evo gets here. Here's the pics if you haven't seen it yet:

Someone at the Evolutionm.net forum scanned the technical training manual that is going to be used for the Evo servicing at the dealers.

WRC-Go · 12-13-2002, 08:27 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by EvoSix
Its going to be 271 hp 273 lb ft when the Evo gets here. Here's the pics if you haven't seen it yet:

Someone at the Evolutionm.net forum scanned the technical training manual that is going to be used for the Evo servicing at the dealers.

Now that is rice! And ugly. I don't know why Mitsu would deliberately choose to make the front look like a 1970 Capri.

rlly_wgn · 12-13-2002, 08:45 AM

What I find very interesting is that in several comparos, WRX vs EVO, WRX vs RSX, WRX vs Focus RS, the WRX seems to lose to the competition on the track tests but most of the testers end wanting to take the WRX home instead.

Also none of the cars including the EVO seems to do well on unevening pavement or gravel. These are the only surfaces I'm interested in. I would hate to spend my money on a car that only did well at track day and was a pain in the butt to drive every day to work or useless at my local rally-X. Especially a car with AWD!

Besides Mitsubishi builds crap cars for the most part and the new Lancer is no different. We have had several on our lot at Carmax , where I work, and the interior is almost as cheesy cheap as a Neon's. Reliability also hasn't been stelar in Mitsu products.

Rev · 12-13-2002, 08:52 AM

I always wonder why magazines do unfair comparisons because they cannot aquire the model they want for testing. If you can't get the car you need, don't do an unfair half-assed article - wait untill you can get the right model. Damn.

Athough hyp36rmax might be right, it is the media swaying toward the Evo. Maybe because it is so close to being here.

Being a big group of enthusiasts it is easy to want the car with the best performance, but if it is going to be your only car you have to realize that daily drivablility is something you'll want. To me the fact the the WRX or even the STi is more suited for daily driving is a plus because I cannot afford a second car. That doesn't mean it doesn't perform, it just means it is more balanced for the real world and I like that.

Barry · 12-13-2002, 08:55 AM

One of each would suit me just fine.......................

Rev · 12-13-2002, 09:14 AM

Reading it again this caught my attention.

Quote:

For braking, the Mitsubishi utilized its oversize Brembo stoppers to haul down from 60 mph in 119 feet. A 70-to-0-mph test ended in 162 feet. For the WRX, it was 121 feet from 60 mph and 170 feet from 70 mph.

Only 2 feet difference in stopping distance from 60mph? Not bad for the WRX.

MagicMT · 12-13-2002, 11:05 AM

The front of that looks horrible and the altezzas gotta go. Why'd they have to change to Evo 8 so fast? The 7 didn't look bad. Is that the US ver? It'd be nice to have a rear wiper..

hyp36rmax · 12-13-2002, 11:20 AM

the only thing SCC accomplished in their comparison a few months ago was that OUR WRX (with adjustments of course

) IS CAPABLE of standing up against a stock EVO

speaking of STi VS EVO, you guys need to check out the DVD 'Bestmotoring International - volume 4 IMpreza STi Spec C VS Lancer EVO RS'

guess who wins that match up?! STi all the way!!....the driver are not the everyday people, they are Dori-dori (Keichii TSuchiya "drift king") and Nakaya. both drivers are known to be in the Japanese grand touring championship GT300 and GT500

http://www.bestmotoringvideo.com

whateever happens my wrx is hella fun to drive, and if i ever graduate college my next car is an EVO then a m3.....then a porsche.....then....AHHHHHH!!!

Zola · 12-13-2002, 12:53 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by SubEd
They're saying "We don't know anything, but if we did, we'd offer an opinion."

Exactly. Maybe an article written to increase page views? If neither car is here, why else would they be writing an article about them?

WRXURV8 · 12-13-2002, 03:45 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by EvoSix
Its going to be 271 hp 273 lb ft when the Evo gets here. Here's the pics if you haven't seen it yet:

Someone at the Evolutionm.net forum scanned the technical training manual that is going to be used for the Evo servicing at the dealers.

Those pictures re-affirm how bad I want an STI.

strangerq · 12-13-2002, 06:06 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by rlly_wgn
What I find very interesting is that in several comparos, WRX vs EVO, WRX vs RSX, WRX vs Focus RS, the WRX seems to lose to the competition on the track tests but most of the testers end wanting to take the WRX home instead.

From what I hear not many cars can beat an Evo on the trac, or even point to point on a real road.

The only comparision I've seen with RSX was in Grassroots motorsports and the WRX was pronounced the clear winner - faster handling in wet and dry, and this comparison all but ignored straight line acceleration where the wrx has a big advantage.

The WRX also beat the BMW 330 in that issue and in Car & Driver. It lost to the Auid S4 in overall performance though it actually beat it 1/4 mile.

I haven't seen a direct comparison of the US WRX and the Euro Focus RS, but the Europeans seem to think the Focus is almost as fast point to point as the Evo although its slower off line than the WRX.

My take on the Evo is - I think the EVO 5 was the best looking and that it keeps getting uglier with every gen. I am worried about Mitsu pulling out of WRC with the EVO because I think that takes the edge off as far as it being a halo car. I'd rather have an STI I think even if it is a little slower than the Evo. However I need more than 265 horsepower to justify trading in my WRX.

When/if I trade my WRX in for an STI I want to be blown away by the additional power and torque.

Otherwise I'll just mod my wrx (maybe) and wait for the next gen STI or Evo 9 - if there's even going to be an evo 9.

Turbo X · 12-13-2002, 11:06 PM

To be honest, I think when the Evo come out sometime soon in the U.S, it's gonna make a lot of noise. We're just hearing the thunder right now at this point and sees no lighting yet, if u know what I mean. Therefore, it would only be fair when we see the Evo in person and do the comparison with our beloved Sti.

obyone · 12-14-2002, 06:00 PM

Let them both come and duke it out like if it was 3 o'clock in the school's parking lot.

12-12-2002, 07:42 PM	#1
sub25rs Scooby Newbie Member#: 4319 Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: USA Vehicle: 2000 2.5 RS BRB	WRX vs. Evo VII at Edmunds.com I just went to see what was going on at Edmunds.com and they have an article on the WRX and the Evo. I havent read it yet. I have exams so Im going to reward myself when I get done. * Registered users of the site do not see these ads.

12-13-2002, 08:45 AM	#15
rlly_wgn Scooby Newbie Member#: 21865 Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Richmond, VA Vehicle: 1996 Outback Sport Acadia Green / Slate	Now that's interesting What I find very interesting is that in several comparos, WRX vs EVO, WRX vs RSX, WRX vs Focus RS, the WRX seems to lose to the competition on the track tests but most of the testers end wanting to take the WRX home instead. Also none of the cars including the EVO seems to do well on unevening pavement or gravel. These are the only surfaces I'm interested in. I would hate to spend my money on a car that only did well at track day and was a pain in the butt to drive every day to work or useless at my local rally-X. Especially a car with AWD! Besides Mitsubishi builds crap cars for the most part and the new Lancer is no different. We have had several on our lot at Carmax , where I work, and the interior is almost as cheesy cheap as a Neon's. Reliability also hasn't been stelar in Mitsu products.

12-13-2002, 08:55 AM	#17
Barry NASIOC Supporter Member#: 11554 Join Date: Oct 2001 Chapter/Region: Tri-State Location: Jones Beach, NY-- Spring Vehicle: 2011 STI WRB SEDAN	dreaming One of each would suit me just fine.......................

12-13-2002, 11:20 AM	#20
hyp36rmax Scooby Specialist Member#: 24537 Join Date: Sep 2002 Chapter/Region: SCIC Location: sfVoltron, RI, Motormonkeys Vehicle: 2006 LanEVO9 RS SFVoltron White	IT IS THE MEDIA!!! the only thing SCC accomplished in their comparison a few months ago was that OUR WRX (with adjustments of course ) IS CAPABLE of standing up against a stock EVO speaking of STi VS EVO, you guys need to check out the DVD 'Bestmotoring International - volume 4 IMpreza STi Spec C VS Lancer EVO RS' guess who wins that match up?! STi all the way!!....the driver are not the everyday people, they are Dori-dori (Keichii TSuchiya "drift king") and Nakaya. both drivers are known to be in the Japanese grand touring championship GT300 and GT500 http://www.bestmotoringvideo.com whateever happens my wrx is hella fun to drive, and if i ever graduate college my next car is an EVO then a m3.....then a porsche.....then....AHHHHHH!!! Last edited by hyp36rmax; 12-13-2002 at 11:26 AM.

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12-12-2002, 08:10 PM	#2
Scoobie Newbie Scooby Specialist Member#: 4184 Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Bust the deal, face the wheel Vehicle: 2004 WRX World Rally Blue,Moonroof	here is the link: http://www.edmunds.com/reviews/compa...9/article.html Their summary: [So which one should you buy? Well, we can't make a final call until we test the full U.S.-spec Evolution and the U.S.-spec WRX STi. But when asked which car, as-is, they would buy (assuming the Evo stickered at about $30,000), both editors decided to go with the WRX. As one of them said, "It was less expensive and it had the better balance between performance and usability. If I had to drive one of these cars everyday, it'd be the WRX."]

12-12-2002, 08:22 PM	#3
ourformerselves Scooby Newbie Member#: 26875 Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Las Vegas, NV	I couldn't get the page to load, but are they saying that the STi will be less than the EVO?

12-12-2002, 08:46 PM	#4
SubEd Scooby Guru Member#: 717 Join Date: Jan 2000 Chapter/Region: NESIC	They're saying "We don't know anything, but if we did, we'd offer an opinion."

12-12-2002, 08:49 PM	#5
jjunior887 Scooby Specialist Member#: 16738 Join Date: Mar 2002 Chapter/Region: MAIC Location: Charles Town, WV Vehicle: 2006 STi Crystal Gray Metallic	they tested the European market Evo against the USDM WRX and the testers perferred the WRX for everyday drivability not performance. the Evo trounced the WRX in just about everything according to the article.

12-12-2002, 10:16 PM	#6
Scoobie Newbie Scooby Specialist Member#: 4184 Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Bust the deal, face the wheel Vehicle: 2004 WRX World Rally Blue,Moonroof	I was always under the impression that for a true comparison the STi is the car to use not the WRX. That Evo had over 270 hp and over 270 ft.lbs torque.

12-12-2002, 10:29 PM	#8
jjunior887 Scooby Specialist Member#: 16738 Join Date: Mar 2002 Chapter/Region: MAIC Location: Charles Town, WV Vehicle: 2006 STi Crystal Gray Metallic	I don't think they had access to the STI that's why they used the WRX. Either way another magazine did a test of the EDM evo andf sti and the evo won pretty much in every aspect.-James

12-13-2002, 02:43 AM	#10
uncle cuervo Scooby Newbie Member#: 30567 Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Miami, FL Vehicle: 03 WRX	Lets not jump the gun! I dont think any review or comparison is fair at this time until we see what mitsu and subaru actually bring to the U.S. For all we know mitsu has watered down the EVO to meet U.S. standards and keep the price down. We all know that US and JDM are two different worlds. And if the EVO does turns out to be a performance monster with a $30,000 price tag, my weapon of choice will still be a $23-24,000 WRX + $6-7,000 in carfully selected mods.

12-13-2002, 04:40 AM	#12
Anglophile Scooby Newbie Member#: 6225 Join Date: Apr 2001 Chapter/Region: SCIC Location: Yes, that's right. Vehicle: 2002 WRX	Just picked up the December edition of "Car" magazine, the Performance Car of the Year edition. Both the Euro spec STi and Evo VII made the top 10. STi at #7, Evo at #5. An excellent showing for both. Some quotes: "Sti... a far better daily proposition than the Evo". "...Evo is actually better at doing its one trick: absolutely charging at, into and out of a corner. It's simply more grippy and precise than the Subaru... For the rest of the time the Evo is punishment: hard, raucous and strangely free of feel". "It's the suspension that separates the Mitsu from its archrival, the softer Subaru. The Lancer sits firm and flat... "It's almost too taut, with the Evo feeling skittish even on average surfaces..." Seems to be pretty much the consensus in all the British car magazines Evo, Car, Top Gear, Autocar.

12-13-2002, 05:22 AM	#13
EvoSix Scooby Newbie Member#: 15379 Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: San Jose, CA Vehicle: 91' Galant VR4	Its going to be 271 hp 273 lb ft when the Evo gets here. Here's the pics if you haven't seen it yet: Someone at the Evolutionm.net forum scanned the technical training manual that is going to be used for the Evo servicing at the dealers.

12-13-2002, 08:52 AM	#16
Rev Scooby Specialist Member#: 9681 Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: NY Vehicle: 2010 Outback 2.5L White	I always wonder why magazines do unfair comparisons because they cannot aquire the model they want for testing. If you can't get the car you need, don't do an unfair half-assed article - wait untill you can get the right model. Damn. Athough hyp36rmax might be right, it is the media swaying toward the Evo. Maybe because it is so close to being here. Being a big group of enthusiasts it is easy to want the car with the best performance, but if it is going to be your only car you have to realize that daily drivablility is something you'll want. To me the fact the the WRX or even the STi is more suited for daily driving is a plus because I cannot afford a second car. That doesn't mean it doesn't perform, it just means it is more balanced for the real world and I like that.

12-13-2002, 11:05 AM	#19
MagicMT Scooby Specialist Member#: 4042 Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: CA Vehicle: 2001 Magic Mobile Old School Style	The front of that looks horrible and the altezzas gotta go. Why'd they have to change to Evo 8 so fast? The 7 didn't look bad. Is that the US ver? It'd be nice to have a rear wiper..

12-13-2002, 11:06 PM	#24
Turbo X Scooby Specialist Member#: 26249 Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: SF CA Vehicle: 02 Impreza WRX Silver	To be honest, I think when the Evo come out sometime soon in the U.S, it's gonna make a lot of noise. We're just hearing the thunder right now at this point and sees no lighting yet, if u know what I mean. Therefore, it would only be fair when we see the Evo in person and do the comparison with our beloved Sti.

12-14-2002, 06:00 PM	#25
obyone Scooby Specialist Member#: 16523 Join Date: Mar 2002 Chapter/Region: MWSOC Location: Inbetween Hesco's and T-walls Vehicle: JDM Maxxpro	Let them both come and duke it out like if it was 3 o'clock in the school's parking lot.

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