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Old 12-13-2002, 11:15 PM   #1
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hey guys....

I have searched but I want to get opinions etc about the topic.....I am considering buying headers for mu OBS.....it was going to be the borlas but i realized that the brullen were probably better.....do you guys think that the brullen headers and high flow cat are worth the it?? they look odd but are supposedly the better design. I really want to do my homework on headers in general before i put down the cask for them.....anything that you guys can suggest or any info would be great. Thanks

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Old 12-14-2002, 12:15 AM   #2
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I'm waiting to see what Cobb comes out with in the near future. Then it's between Cobb, Brullen and TWE - if I get headers at all. I'll probably start with a catback and go from there.

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Old 12-14-2002, 12:28 AM   #3
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havent we been waiting for COBB's headers?? TWE is too $$$$, but i think brullen are still going to be the best...ie no cel issues and if there are Brullen does what it has to to fix it for you.

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Old 12-14-2002, 09:17 AM   #4
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Yeah the Cobb header has been a long time in the works. There's been a thread going for almost a year on that, with Cobb indicating several times that it was almost ready. The problem with TWE is not so much price ( its about $300 USD cheaper) but comfort level, dyno or gtech specs etc. They look good in theory, bu virtually nobody has them yet. Brullens are quite common, on the other hand, lots of feedback from users, and Larry Ganzs' website has a really good gtech comparison. check his website

His 0-60 times improved from 8.1 to 7.4 to 6.91, IIRC, with addition of Brullen exhaust then headers.

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Old 12-14-2002, 12:23 PM   #5
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i'd go with twe header and high flow cat. i've talked with these guys before and they seem to know their stuff.
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Old 12-14-2002, 12:55 PM   #6
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The only Brullen headers I've seen are the iON/Brullen units and I quite frankly don't like the looks of them. Nothing personal against iON/Brullen, but the collectors look all wrong and contrary to good header design. I don't recall seeing any dyno numbers of the non-butt kind for these headers either.

On the other hand, TWE's headers are the epitome of good header design. I quite honestly think that you will lose some serious bottem end with the TWE's because the primaries are huge in comparison to stock, but they will probably be flow MONSTERS at the upper end of the RPM range, so you're probably looking at a trade-off of some kind. I don't recall seeing any dyno numbers on these units either.

Borla is now on V.4 of their headers, so from a quality perspective, they're probably the headers with the MOST research under their belts. They're also the only headers that I recall that actually have some dyno info on them. As far as Borla design is concerned, IMO, they're better than iON/Brullen, but not as good as TWE.

IMO, all of the heads presently on the market are too much money and the TWE's are especially expensive (~C$1000). However, if you want to stay Normally Aspirated, headers are a common sense contributor to making more power.

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Old 12-14-2002, 01:20 PM   #7
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I think some of the TO boys have dyno info on Brullen headers. I remember something being posted awhile back.
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Old 12-14-2002, 01:35 PM   #8
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screw the cat.... just dump it all together..

i'm going with the Top Speed header for my wrx... $1350 tax included.
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Old 12-14-2002, 04:33 PM   #9
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thanks for the replies guys.....the reason I am not looking at borla anymore is because of there CEL and cracking issues. the TWE's seem hella cool....ie properly designed....but like markus said the collector is huge and that may have any effect on low end. Yes the brullens are a weird design but larry (imprezars.com) did some g-tech runs and the performance gains were not bad. I am looking to to this around spring so I have lots of time to do the homework.....I am not sure about cobb stuff though....i want to see it. In the end i will probably go with the brullens.

btw- i plan on staying NA

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Old 12-14-2002, 08:51 PM   #10
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From what i recall the Brullen headers are different then the ION headers that are made in Taiwan that Jack sourced.

Brullen headers I beleive were developed by the boys at the Toronto Board. I think JoeT got things together. They provided all the research subjects and the development recommendations. I've heard good things about these headers. I think ION/Jack sells these but was not hand in hand in development.

The ION headers lost power. Those of you ( spt_impreza ) that think this is a slander session can quit right here... I got this from the horses mouth. Phil @ turboXS told me himself. but i don't think you can get the ION headers anymore... I could be wrong.

I heard the Borla headers are getting much better and more refined.

But except for the brutal kink at the end of the stock headers I really like them.. and even if improvements are made it just doesn't really justify the cost. but that just me.


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Old 12-14-2002, 09:01 PM   #11
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has anyone else looked into the top speed hearders on here?

i've heard there reallly really good but that was from a couple friends only.

and whats hte prices roughly on those other headers
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Old 12-14-2002, 09:44 PM   #12
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Those of you ( spt_impreza ) that think this is a slander session can quit right here... I got this from the horses mouth. Phil @ turboXS told me himself. but i don't think you can get the ION headers anymore... I could be wrong.

2 cents take it or leave it.
Didn't think that at all......I have never heard of just the iON headers ...but I do know that the ones JAck sells are the Brullen weird ass (different) design that JoeT and the To boys helped get going. I have heard that they are good for anywhere between 9 and 19hp and similar Torque gains.

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Old 12-14-2002, 09:49 PM   #13
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Old 12-14-2002, 10:36 PM   #14
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i do believe Richard from brullen designed the brullen subaru header.
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Old 12-25-2002, 10:46 AM   #15
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Default header prices USD

Borla: $309 w/o cat
Brullen: $950 (includes high flow cat)
TWE: $629 ($239 for cat and cat pipe >>$868 total)

Brullen prices are from Subaru Planet website, shipping extra.

TWE would be pickup here in Calgary, so no added on shipping cost.

Looks like Borlas are cheapest by far, supposedly good for 7 HP with a midrange peak.

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Old 12-25-2002, 05:15 PM   #16
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to make things intresting..... what about MRT header/high flow cat setup?
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Old 12-26-2002, 01:36 PM   #17
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to make things intresting..... what about MRT header/high flow cat setup?
If you're planning on going turbo, these headers are not practical. I've also heard some testimonials on this board regarding QA/QC issues especially relating to the cats and throwing Check Engine lights. Otherwise, I like the look of these headers the best for NA purposes.
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Old 12-26-2002, 02:54 PM   #18
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i already have a turbo... so no need for a new header. stock works fine. for NA tune my personal choice would be the twe header and highflow cat.
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