Welcome to the North American Subaru Impreza Owners Club Saturday December 20, 2014
Home Forums WikiNASIOC Products Store Modifications Upgrade Garage
Vancouver Impreza Club
Here you can view your subscribed threads, work with private messages and edit your profile and preferences Home Registration is free! Visit the NASIOC Store NASIOC Rules Search Find other members Frequently Asked Questions Calendar Archive NASIOC Upgrade Garage Logout
Go Back   NASIOC > NASIOC Chapters > Vancouver Impreza Club Forum -- VIC

Welcome to NASIOC - The world's largest online community for Subaru enthusiasts!
Welcome to the NASIOC.com Subaru forum.

You are currently viewing our forum as a guest, which gives you limited access to view most discussions and access our other features. By joining our community, free of charge, you will have access to post topics, communicate privately with other members (PM), respond to polls, upload content and access many other special features. Registration is free, fast and simple, so please join our community today!

If you have any problems with the registration process or your account login, please contact us.
* Registered users of the site do not see these ads.
Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 06-13-2000, 11:34 AM   #1
kgb
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 1366
Join Date: Apr 2000
Chapter/Region: VIC
Location: Delta, BC, Canada
Vehicle:
2000 RS-T -> RSTi-8
Blue Ridge Pearl

Question 604: Getting Kumho 712

Anybody knows if I can these tires locally? From what I heard, it seems that these are very good "budget" performance tires. However, I don't know of any place that carry these. Running low on funds, but still want a new set of performance tires without throwing a bag of money away - I just don't trust my RE92 anymore.
* Registered users of the site do not see these ads.
kgb is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-13-2000, 12:20 PM   #2
Keiho
Sea to Sky - OWNED
Moderator
 
Member#: 610
Join Date: Dec 1999
Chapter/Region: VIC
Location: Vancouver, BC, Canada
Vehicle:
2003 Lexus IS300
Graphite Gray Pearl

Post

Last I heard, tireshops weren't getting the 712s in yet. Maybe around August they say...but ask again to be sure.
Keiho is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-13-2000, 12:33 PM   #3
kgb
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 1366
Join Date: Apr 2000
Chapter/Region: VIC
Location: Delta, BC, Canada
Vehicle:
2000 RS-T -> RSTi-8
Blue Ridge Pearl

Question

I know this might start a war, but other than Kumho 712, any good performance tires for the budget available locally? I know those 2 words can't go together, but bear with me, as I have no faith in RE92 right now.
kgb is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-13-2000, 12:36 PM   #4
sti2_5rs
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 1578
Join Date: Jun 2000
Location: Ottawa, Ontario, Canada
Vehicle:
2000 Impreza 2.5RS
Silver

Post

Hey man, get the yokohama, A520..or their new tires that sold in the states now, but soon you will find it in canada
sti2_5rs is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-13-2000, 12:57 PM   #5
Petrie
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 1260
Join Date: Apr 2000
Chapter/Region: VIC
Location: Squamish
Vehicle:
09 STi, DGM
04 WRX Stage 2, red

Smile

I rang Kuhmo Canada (in Richmond, BC). They say OK Tire are their distributor.

OK Tire in West Vancouver gave me a price of $130 for 205x55x16 712's (Z rated). That's fitted and balanced (taxes extra).

From the tirerack quote of US$75 + shipping, I don't think that's a bad deal.

I ordered them yesterday and they said the're on back order (1 - 2 weeks).

I'll have to wait to see if that's real.
Petrie is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-13-2000, 02:51 PM   #6
kgb
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 1366
Join Date: Apr 2000
Chapter/Region: VIC
Location: Delta, BC, Canada
Vehicle:
2000 RS-T -> RSTi-8
Blue Ridge Pearl

Talking

Thanx for the info, Petrie. I will see if I have money when I get back my car. Rain performance is just important to me than dry road performance. I chose Kumho for the most bang for buck, but I am willing to consider other brands. Only if you guys have any other suggestions...

Thanx in advance
kgb is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-13-2000, 04:05 PM   #7
Petrie
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 1260
Join Date: Apr 2000
Chapter/Region: VIC
Location: Squamish
Vehicle:
09 STi, DGM
04 WRX Stage 2, red

Post

I used to race on the Pirelli PZero C (DOT approved circuit racing tire). When it got down to 3mm tread depth I could keep up with cars on slicks. It was an excellent all round tire for the road as well and only caused problems in the wet when it was beyond road legal tread depth. The PZero C is a tire that needs a couple of lasp to come up to temperature and probably best suited for circuits rather than AutoX. In the UK it's the tire of choice for the track and hillclimbs. Out performs the A032R in all conditions and wears better.

The Pirelli P Zero's for the road were on my Audi S2 (250bhp & 4 wheel drive) and proved very stable in all conditions. They suffered on the track though and gave up a lot of tread in relatively few laps. Once the shoulders had given up, the tires needed changing. They would make a good road/AutoX tire. You have to reckon that the're on the Impreza P1 for a reason.

I drove a 600bhp Venturi on a ciruit with Michelin MXX3 Pilots and was very impressed. On the limit cornering was very predictable. A real easy tire to live with. I would take that tire over the Pirelli road tire but look at the price.

The Yokohama A008P were good favourites for track days. Their shoulders resisted torture quite well. The AVS Sport was another good tire but noisy on the road.

I used the AVS Intermediates for the Ferrari during the winter (they are excellent in the wet) and the Pirelli PZero C's in the summer.

I've opted for the Kuhmo's because I have to compromise with just 1 set of wheels, I've not tried them before, they get good reviews and at the price you can afford to have them wear pretty quickly.

Tire's are very subjective and depend more on your driving style than outright test data. Gather all the info you can and pick a tire that will suit you and what you want it to do.
Petrie is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-13-2000, 05:34 PM   #8
VALENTA
Scooby Newbie
 
Member#: 888
Join Date: Feb 2000
Location: Montreal, CANADA
Vehicle:
2011 STI
White

Thumbs up

I live in Montreal and I just ordered mine from Tire rack for 376$ US shipped!
205/50ZR16!
I can`t wait to get them since in Montreal all the dealers say that they will only get them next year, so far I am the only one with Kuhmo 712s! hehe!
Good luck on finding them!
Jan
VALENTA is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-14-2000, 01:07 AM   #9
kgb
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 1366
Join Date: Apr 2000
Chapter/Region: VIC
Location: Delta, BC, Canada
Vehicle:
2000 RS-T -> RSTi-8
Blue Ridge Pearl

Question

More questions: AutoX and Kumho aside (I don't think at stage I'll be doing that), any other choice for me if it's strictly for street use to replace the RE92? Budget is a concern, so is wet performance.

Thanks
kgb is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-14-2000, 01:28 AM   #10
Ken
NASIOC Supporter
 
Member#: 34
Join Date: Jun 1999
Chapter/Region: VIC
Location: Burnaby, BC Canada
Vehicle:
2005 WRX STi
World Rally Blue

Post

Do a search on the RE730's. I heard they were pretty good! My other future choices are: Yoko's or Toyo FZ4's. Not too sure on how pricey they are though.

You could get your crappy RE's siped <sp?>. Something like $10/tire to get a shop to cut them up so they grip a bit better.

Does anyone know if it's possible to get a dealership to order in tires? Or is this usually just way more expensive than getting it from a tire shop?
Ken is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-14-2000, 01:56 AM   #11
Keiho
Sea to Sky - OWNED
Moderator
 
Member#: 610
Join Date: Dec 1999
Chapter/Region: VIC
Location: Vancouver, BC, Canada
Vehicle:
2003 Lexus IS300
Graphite Gray Pearl

Post

I have the Toyo FZ4s. Personally, I think they're just pretty tires. In the dry they're ok, and in the wet they're ok as well...BUT, when I start pushing the car, then the tire gives up way too easily. In the rain that is. Dry traction is ok. If what you're looking for is all season tires that look great by all means the FZ4 are great tires. But then again, my suspension is set up the way it should be so that could also be the problem
Keiho is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-16-2000, 06:47 PM   #12
Petrie
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 1260
Join Date: Apr 2000
Chapter/Region: VIC
Location: Squamish
Vehicle:
09 STi, DGM
04 WRX Stage 2, red

Thumbs up

Kumho 712's (Z rated) arrived today and are on the car.

OK Tire are the official distributor and can get these real quick. I used the local shop at Park Royal in West Van.
Petrie is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-17-2000, 01:12 AM   #13
kgb
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 1366
Join Date: Apr 2000
Chapter/Region: VIC
Location: Delta, BC, Canada
Vehicle:
2000 RS-T -> RSTi-8
Blue Ridge Pearl

Cool

Looks like the rainy days will be gone for a while. But anyways, Petrie, let me know about your experience on the Kumho once you get some runs in on the tires.
kgb is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-17-2000, 08:23 AM   #14
Petrie
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 1260
Join Date: Apr 2000
Chapter/Region: VIC
Location: Squamish
Vehicle:
09 STi, DGM
04 WRX Stage 2, red

Post

I'm going up to Cache Creek next Saturday for the rally. The roads throught Whistler/Pemberton and beyond will offer lots of chances to see just how they perform.

Later.
Petrie is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-28-2000, 11:39 AM   #15
kgb
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 1366
Join Date: Apr 2000
Chapter/Region: VIC
Location: Delta, BC, Canada
Vehicle:
2000 RS-T -> RSTi-8
Blue Ridge Pearl

Lightbulb

Bringing the topic to top - wonder how Petrie is doing in the Kumhos
kgb is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-29-2000, 10:52 AM   #16
Petrie
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 1260
Join Date: Apr 2000
Chapter/Region: VIC
Location: Squamish
Vehicle:
09 STi, DGM
04 WRX Stage 2, red

Thumbs up

So far I have been tripping around town and had one run out to Cache Creek last weekend.

We went highway 1 all the way to Cache Creek but came back via Pemberton and Whistler so had the best of all worlds.

The 1st thing you notice is the stiffness of the sidewall. The car pulls left and right quite strongly on the highways that have deep ruts. However, changing the suspension angles to suit performance driving will take a lot of that out. The road noise is a little higher than stock but that's being really picky. That's all the bad points out of the way. Now the good points.

I'm still running stock suspension and found that on the fast downhill switchbacks (at speeds that should not be made public in a post) the car's understeer is dramatically reduced. These tires grip. I'm going to have to autox them to find the limit. The speeds on the road will be just too high.

The stiff sidewalls helped when we were travelling on the rally roads (forestry access dirt roads). Some spectators that followed us in their Ford Explorer were very complimentary about how stable the car looked.

In summary, I like them a lot. Too early to tell about wet weather and autox performance but so far so good. I would buy them again and expect to like them even more when the suspension is upgraded.

-----
Peter

PS. I recommend the Duffy Lake road and Lillooet to Cache Creek for those of you who like lots of turns and not a lot of traffic.
Petrie is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-29-2000, 04:27 PM   #17
kgb
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 1366
Join Date: Apr 2000
Chapter/Region: VIC
Location: Delta, BC, Canada
Vehicle:
2000 RS-T -> RSTi-8
Blue Ridge Pearl

Thumbs up

Sounds good - Thanks for the info.

Forgot to ask - what's the price on 712s?
(Only to realize it's right up top - $130 each)

Anyways, what's another comparable tire to 712 in around the same price? I'm looking for some comparison. Still don't know about tread life for 712, or other performance tires for that matter. I would prefer not to swap tires too often as it cost money.

[This message has been edited by kgb (edited June 29, 2000).]
kgb is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-29-2000, 07:19 PM   #18
Petrie
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 1260
Join Date: Apr 2000
Chapter/Region: VIC
Location: Squamish
Vehicle:
09 STi, DGM
04 WRX Stage 2, red

Post

The Kuhmo's are the cheapest high performer you can get. I doubt you'll find a better performer for around this price.

Other comperable tires on price are Bridgestone Potenza RE730, Sumitomo HTR Z II and Yokohama A520. At twice the price of the Kuhmo's you'll find Pirelli PZero Asimmetrico, Michelin Pilot Sport, Goodyear Eagle F1 GS-D2, and Pirelli P7000.

-----
Peter
Petrie is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-29-2000, 10:08 PM   #19
ImprezaRS dot com
over boosted again
Moderator
 
Member#: 1458
Join Date: May 2000
Chapter/Region: RMIC
Location: Colorado Springs CO USA
Vehicle:
2015 Forester 2.0 XT
2005 2.5 RS, 2013 Tribeca

Post

Toyo FZ-4 are not that great. Strepto doesn't like his.

I test drove another RS with Kuhmo 711's and one with RE730's - both were better than RE92's, but the 730's were astounding on the autocross track! The 711's were much more slippery, although better than the RE92's. Both of those tires slide much more quietly than the RE92's which howl when pushed hard.

I am told that the RE71's are stickier, but considering that the 730's have a higher wear rating and stick as well as they did for me, I am getting those!

Larry www.ImprezaRS.com
ImprezaRS dot com is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-02-2000, 03:23 AM   #20
Orbiter
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 66
Join Date: Jul 1999
Location: Vancouver, British Columbia, C
Vehicle:
2002 Impreza WRX
Britney Edition

Post

Peter: i am gonna need new rubber very soon, my tires are gettin worn out really bad.. and i dont even auto-x!!..

i wanna get a set of ultra performance tires but dont want to pay ultra price..
what would u recommend as an alternative to the Kuhmos?

do u know how much it would cost for 205/45/16s for the S02pp... pirelli pzero and yoko avs sports??
those are my 3 main choices right now..

and what are your experiences with them?

i heard you use to race ferarri's in england =)
Orbiter is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-02-2000, 11:21 AM   #21
Petrie
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 1260
Join Date: Apr 2000
Chapter/Region: VIC
Location: Squamish
Vehicle:
09 STi, DGM
04 WRX Stage 2, red

Smile

Orbiter,

I only raced one Ferrari (348TS). I bought the car when it was 4.5 years old with 4500 miles on the clock. I put over 30K miles on it in the next 18 months including 4K miles one week in France which included 5 track days (including LeMans). It was used everyday (when it wasn't being prepared for a race) and was the most reliable daily driver that I have ever had. Considering a set of Mintex 1155 pads would only last 3 to 4 hours during a track day, that is a testament to just how good these cars really are. Most people with problems only drove them a few hundred miles each year. What a waste !

A got to drive a lot of different types at the owner's club track days. Seen every type thrown into the barriers by their owners, including an F50 and F40s with less that 1000Km on them. That's got to hurt the pocket. You could buy a 22B, P1 + WRX for the cost of the repairs.

On the tire front, check out tirerack.com for a comparison of prices, specs and road test reports. That will give you a good idea of what's available. I don't think you will get an "ultra high performance" tire for a better price than the Kuhmo 712s. With tires you get what you pay for.

If you're looking to upgrade from the standard tire, you take a big risk of being disappointed by going for a cheap high performance tire because that is what you already have. Despite the fact that I upgraded, I believe the standard tire is actually very good. Well done Subaru.

Give OK Tire a call and arrange a club discount. They are the main dealer in Canada, their price of $130 was already comparable with the discount mail order price and they can get the tire in a few days.

So far, I rate the tire very well. It has an AA traction rating and a wear rate of 280 (anything around 300 is excellent for an AA).

Got to go, the car needs washing before anyone sees that it's been out in the rain.
Petrie is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-04-2000, 06:13 PM   #22
Ken
NASIOC Supporter
 
Member#: 34
Join Date: Jun 1999
Chapter/Region: VIC
Location: Burnaby, BC Canada
Vehicle:
2005 WRX STi
World Rally Blue

Post

FYI: They are approximately $140 in the Okanagan, BC. Not too bad if you consider shipping, and that's the price before you try to get a friendly deal!
Ken is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
kumho 712 f/s bender Vancouver Impreza Club Forum -- VIC 0 03-01-2001 06:41 AM
FYI: small quantities of Kumho 712 is coming in next week 5 Zigen Vancouver Impreza Club Forum -- VIC 1 02-23-2001 10:25 AM
FS: big loads of Kumho 712 and Toyo T1S 5 Zigen Vancouver Impreza Club Forum -- VIC 32 02-06-2001 12:53 AM
Kumho 712 vs Bridgestone RE730 BoomerRS New England Impreza Club Forum -- NESIC 14 08-19-2000 06:13 AM
Kumho 712 Group Buy H5N1 Vancouver Impreza Club Forum -- VIC 7 07-16-2000 01:43 AM


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 11:53 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.7.0
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Powered by Searchlight © 2014 Axivo Inc.
Copyright ©1999 - 2014, North American Subaru Impreza Owners Club, Inc.