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Old 12-27-2002, 10:35 AM   #1
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Talking All you DS short shifter people can quit whining!

"TECH BULLETINS Stock: The following items are portinstalled options on the Subaru WRX, are listed when installed on the vehicle's window sticker, and pending evidence to the contrary are considered legal: carbon fiber trim, turbo boost gauge, titanium shift knob, short throw shifter, rear diff protector, [b]spoilers[/]B], arm rest extension."

So NOW the short throw shifter and rear spoiler are legal. Everything else was legal under "comfor and convenience" before.

Also, STX related. Evo and STi are on the "exclusion" list. No STX for them

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Old 12-27-2002, 11:07 AM   #2
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Tom:

Didn't you run stock last year? Do you think a few DS events give any valuable feedback prior to "upgrading" to STX/ESP? The last two local events had so few STX cars, I'm leaning towards DS for a few events.

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Old 12-27-2002, 11:13 AM   #3
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Would be nice to see the 17" wheels listed, as many of those are ALSO on the window sticker.
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Old 12-27-2002, 11:15 AM   #4
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Tom:

Didn't you run stock last year? Do you think a few DS events give any valuable feedback prior to "upgrading" to STX/ESP? The last two local events had so few STX cars, I'm leaning towards DS for a few events.

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If you've never auto-xed, I'd definitely work on stock 1st. The reason being, you can learn the course, save your money, and make calculated decisions as to what your upgrade path will be.

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Old 12-27-2002, 11:28 AM   #5
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What he said

17" wheels would be nice in DS though. 245/40/17 Hoosiers.
mmmmmm......

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Old 12-27-2002, 11:47 AM   #6
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huh... they also moved the acura RSX type S from DS to GS

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Also, STX related. Evo and STi are on the "exclusion" list. No STX for them
So we still have no idea where these cars will be classed.

As far as the short shifter goes. That tech bullitin just confirms what I have been saying all along.


http://www.scca.org/news/fastrack/03-02.pdf
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Old 12-27-2002, 11:51 AM   #7
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I used to run an '96 MR2 in Miami/Ft. Lauderdale before the last kid. The problem at some of the local events is that they have been running STX as an R-compound event unless it is a national/divisional event. This takes away some of the appeal of STX unless I've got another $800 for fresh R's.

I guess that I'll just keep going down the upgrade path and run STX.
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Old 12-27-2002, 12:29 PM   #8
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huh... they also moved the acura RSX type S from DS to GS
That really needed to be moved. That car has major suck. The one that showed up at nationals and a couple of the Pros could not get more then +0.5 camber and it was a brand new unwrecked one.

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Old 12-27-2002, 02:42 PM   #9
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huh... they also moved the acura RSX type S from DS to GS

Effective 01/01/04. Not effective for the 2003 season. Also, just recommended, not approved.
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Old 01-12-2003, 01:37 AM   #10
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Default Re: All you DS short shifter people can quit whining!

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"TECH BULLETINS Stock: The following items are portinstalled options on the Subaru WRX, are listed when installed on the vehicle's window sticker, and pending evidence to the contrary are considered legal: ... short throw shifter
Interpretation, please, for someone not fluent in legalese. It is legal if it came installed on the car and states so on the window sticker? But not legal if I buy one from Subaru or eBay and put it on myself? And theoretically, I need to have my window sticker available as proof (if I had the port installed short throw shifter.)

Am I reading this right?

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Old 01-12-2003, 01:46 AM   #11
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As I read the bulletin, the items listed are port installed options and considered legal unless something comes along and proves them otherwise.

My interpretation is: The options listed (in FasTrack) must be authentic Subaru parts. Proof of legality is still up to the competitor driving the car. However, SCCA recognizes that these parts are typically port installed options and, thus, are considered legal unless it can be shown that the part in question isn't a port installed option but a dealer (or owner) installed option.

Elsewhere in the rules, it allows all stand alone factory options to be allowed on a car regardless of whether that chassis came from the factory with the option. So, putting that rule together with the FasTrack bulletin, I would say that as long as you have a window sticker (whether its yours or not is irrelevant) that shows that part as a stand alone port installed option, you're OK.

Of course its always a good idea to ask Howard Duncan, too!
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Old 01-12-2003, 09:17 AM   #12
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With my interpretation of the rules, these items are legal. No matter what, as long as you are using the subaru parts.
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Old 01-12-2003, 04:18 PM   #13
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If you've never auto-xed, I'd definitely work on stock 1st. The reason being, you can learn the course, save your money, and make calculated decisions as to what your upgrade path will be.

--kC
Lol OR
do it the way I did. Go to 3 events, get totally hooked, then boot your car into SM with a ton of mods. (then get horribly beaten by the MUCH more experienced drivers in that class Im sure, guess I will find out!)

They gave me no choice. my 17's were port installed ptions on my window sticker, but it moved me into STX. It was my need for more power that pushed me into SM(unichip)
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Old 01-12-2003, 11:43 PM   #14
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Unichip is legal in STX as long as it doesn't touch the boost settings..!



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Lol OR
do it the way I did. Go to 3 events, get totally hooked, then boot your car into SM with a ton of mods. (then get horribly beaten by the MUCH more experienced drivers in that class Im sure, guess I will find out!)

They gave me no choice. my 17's were port installed ptions on my window sticker, but it moved me into STX. It was my need for more power that pushed me into SM(unichip)
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Old 05-03-2003, 10:23 PM   #15
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My car didn't come with the STi SS (the dealership I bought it from didn't have any with one already installed) and I think it's kind of bogus that someone with the same car and the same parts is OK because it was already installed but it wouldn't be OK for me to install it after the fact. Once the timer starts, what's the difference? I've only been to one event so far (another one in 12 hrs) so I'm not aware of the floodgate of evil this might cause I haven't installed any short shifter yet, but if installing the STi SS after the fact will put me in STX I might as well get the Kartboy and save myself the $.

Anyhoo - Once I figure out where I need to send the email (I know, do a search) I will pass my thoughts on but Iwanted to make sure I wasn't insane for thinking the way I do. I'll run in STX if I have to because it's fun regardless...

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Old 05-04-2003, 10:27 AM   #16
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The SUBARU short-throw shifter is legal for stock regardless of whether it was port-installed, dealer-installed, or you did it yourself. Aftermarket short-shifters are not legal.
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Old 05-04-2003, 03:54 PM   #17
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The SUBARU short-throw shifter is legal for stock regardless of whether it was port-installed, dealer-installed, or you did it yourself. Aftermarket short-shifters are not legal.
Is this some clarification I missed? The above seems very specific about it needing to be on the window sticker. Mind you I don't think anyone would care if I ran one (I'd ask first) but the rule as stated doesn't seem to allow it unless it came on the car.

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Old 05-04-2003, 07:17 PM   #18
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I think as long as its the OEM Subaru short shifter, it doesn't matter who installs it.
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Right. The reason they mention the sticker is: because the Subaru short shifter is available as a window-sticker option, it is legal for stock. Having established that, it does not have to be installed on the car when new in your particular case, or be on the window sticker, as long as it is the same short shifter you would have if you had ordered it with the new car.
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Re-reading the top, it makes sense now. Thanks for the clarification

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No problem. Now you can help us figure out catalytic converters in STX.
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No problem. Now you can help us figure out catalytic converters in STX.


I've read over some of the threads on the subject and they make my little novice head hurt

I'm gonna stick with DS for now..

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Old 05-04-2003, 10:58 PM   #23
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So NOW the short throw shifter and rear spoiler are legal.
I said this, what, two years ago?
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No problem. Now you can help us figure out catalytic converters in STX.
June 2002 fastrack is the rule IMHO. What showed up in the rule book, I'm considering a 'printing error' until a new rule comes along. They changed the rule when it wint to print without submitting it for member comment before making the change.
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The "Precat(s)" and primary catalytic converter may all be replaced by a single converter, provided the resultant configuration meets Federal emissions inspection standards at normal vehicle operating temperature.
Notice it says meets the standards, not the laws.

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