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Old 01-02-2003, 01:13 AM   #1
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Default I need an All-Season AND Auto-X tire.

I was going for Potenza S-03's, but they are kinda pricey. Is there anything out there that is a little (read: A LOT) bit cheaper? I need something that will have a good tread life and is good in all weather. Tire size needed is 215/40/17

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Old 01-02-2003, 02:42 AM   #2
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If you're planning on doing AutoX a lot, get separate tires - I got my ST115 within a week of my AutoX school, went for 4 events (3 of them in 2 weekends), and my tires definitely would have lasted longer had I not AutoX them. Now granted that I didn't give them a proper worn-in, but still...

You could go for the usual suspect, Dunlop SP5000. Just that in general, if you plan on doing a few AutoX, it is still a lot better to have a separate set of tires.
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Old 01-02-2003, 03:03 AM   #3
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Can't afford seperate tires right now, so that isn't an option.
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Old 01-02-2003, 03:19 AM   #4
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falken azenis?
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Old 01-02-2003, 04:12 AM   #5
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You can afford it, you just dont know it.

Get falkens for summer/auto-x/rain, and then get a set of used steel wheels with ****ty M+S tires for the winter
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Old 01-02-2003, 08:12 AM   #6
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I hear Azenis aren't very good in rain..
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Old 01-02-2003, 08:50 AM   #7
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Azenis are 'OK' in the rain as long as they have tread and you remember to take it easy (Ie 65mph or lower).

Do you need something that runs in snow too or just rain? A good tire may be the TA/KDW. There are some people that run on it and it comes in a variety of sizes... but again... not that cheap.

There's just not a great selection out there (IMHO) in this arena where cheap and good go together.

Just save up your pennies....
215/40-17 SO-3s - $153 at tire rack ($600)
Mount and balance ($50)

Including delivery, you're looking at around $700

Or...

16" WRX Takeoffs (16" x 6.5") - $75/ea at TireRack ($300)
205/55-16 Falken Azenis - $86/ea at Discount Tire Direct ($344)
Mount and Balance ($50)

Including shipping, you're looking at around $750 for the whole set that you can put on and take off at events... or run in the good weather season.

Yes, a set of wheels and tires for a whole $50 more compared to just running the S03's.

Now, unless you have upgraded brakes that the WRX wheels won't fit, I would selection option 2 if I were you.

One thing you didn't mention is what's on your car now and their condition. You may be able to sell them and recoup some of your money.

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Old 01-02-2003, 02:32 PM   #8
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Kumho Ecsta 712 if you absolutely cannot afford two sets of tires.
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Old 01-02-2003, 02:50 PM   #9
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Kumho Ecsta 712 if you absolutely cannot afford two sets of tires.
Keep in mind that like the KDW's, the 712's are also a non-snow tire.

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Old 01-02-2003, 03:26 PM   #10
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16" WRX Takeoffs (16" x 6.5") - $75/ea at TireRack ($300)
Where are the takeoffs at TireRack?

Is there a number to call or a website or something??
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Old 01-02-2003, 03:29 PM   #11
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What about the Michelin Pilot Sport All-Seasons? They're pricy, but all of the articles I've read say they offer the highest performance of any all-season tire.
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Keep in mind that like the KDW's, the 712's are also a non-snow tire.

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KDWS are M&S, right? Either way, still not cheap




Right now I have some BALD RE-92s on my stockers and I have Rota SDRs in the mail. Would Nitto NT-450 be a good choice? They look all right, but I have no clue how long they'll last. Again, I need a tire that will last for a while, is good in all seasons, and can handle autocrossing. I don't need the best auto-x tire out there, but I need something that will be decent. You could say all season would be the greater of my needs.
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Old 01-02-2003, 03:56 PM   #13
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I did some research a while ago, and decided that the BFG KDWS will most likely be my next all-season (used for winter) tires. They seem to offer the best dry performance, apart from the insanely expensive Michelins, and should still be good enough for the mild winters we have here.

There seems to be some confusion about the BFG tires:
KD = dry (summer)
KDW = dry + wet (summer)
KDWS = dry + wet + snow (all-season)

The Sumitomo HTR+ are also very popular, and highly rated at Tirerack. Unlike the KDWS, they are available in 17" sizes that fit our cars.
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That's really strange, TheWRX, I was about to ask if anyone knew anything about the Sumitomo HTR+. They're $93 a pop and they have terrific reviews on Tire Rack. Anyone have experience with these?
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[Holding gun]Step AWAY from the Nittos. Do not go there sir![/Holding gun] Had them many moons ago. Please... don't.

The Sumitomos are a good tire. Forgot about them.. and they may fit your needs.

As far as the takeoffs... well, you're already getting a new set of wheels, so use your stockers (I assumed you sold them) and buy some Falken Azenis for auto-x and buy some Sumitomos for your street/all season duty.

The Sumos do howl under cornering but offer some good grip. There's a guy that has a 12 second Talon that auto-xes on them, and he's also quick.

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Old 01-02-2003, 04:10 PM   #16
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Yeah, I'll probably invest in some Azenis when I can afford it. Right now my budget is quickly slipping away.
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Old 01-02-2003, 04:16 PM   #17
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Oh... money? What's that? I can EASILY spend other peoples money!
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Old 01-02-2003, 04:17 PM   #18
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nt450s make a great all season tire...if you take them for what they are you'd agree with me. They are all seasons with a m+s rating.
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Old 01-02-2003, 07:43 PM   #19
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That's really strange, TheWRX, I was about to ask if anyone knew anything about the Sumitomo HTR+. They're $93 a pop and they have terrific reviews on Tire Rack. Anyone have experience with these?
A couple of guys in my autoX club use the Sumitomo's, they were recently praising them for their wet weather performance, stiff sidewalls and low cost. They are a little softer than the Kumho's, (280 vs. 360 I think), treadwear rating.

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Old 01-02-2003, 10:01 PM   #20
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Matt,

You can't get the S-03' or Azenis, because they will be useless in the winter. I'm pretty sure you live in West Virginia, so you can't over look that.

I would suggest the Sumitomo HTR+ as well. Tom ( dj_noose) has them, and I rode with him in the rain, and holy crap, did those stick. Much much better than RE92's

He says theyr'e really good in the dry too, and it's a 4 season tire.

I can't wait to see you SDR's at the next autocross !


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Thanks Gonz, I really respect your opinions. I've already got April 27th marked on my calendar for MBCA. Hopefully I'll catch you at some other Auto-Xes as well. Maybe you'll let me ride with you some time.


Also, is 215/40/17 the ideal tire size for 17 inch wheels? or would 225 or 45 be better?
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Old 01-03-2003, 07:53 AM   #22
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Here, play around with this tire calculator:

http://www.miata.net/garage/tirecalc.html

A 215/40-17 tire is not optimum because your speedo will be 4.4% too fast. At 60mph, you'll actually be doing 57.3 (in other words, you'll have shorter gearing... you'll run out of 1st and 2nd faster... good for accelleration, bad for top end)

However, a 215/45-17 would only be 1% too fast... At 60, you're actually doing 59.4. That's very acceptable.

For comparison, 225/45-17's are .4% too slow meaning at 60, you're actually doing 60.2. That's as close to perfect as you'll get for any plus-sized tires on Subarus.
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Welp, Sumitomos don't come in 215/45/17, so I guess I'll have to get 225/45/17. Right?
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Welp, Sumitomos don't come in 215/45/17, so I guess I'll have to get 225/45/17. Right?
I would 1st verify that 225/45's will fit on a 2nd gen 2.5RS.
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I would 1st verify that 225/45's will fit on a 2nd gen 2.5RS.
He's got a Sedan so it should be no problem as long as I am remembering correctly that the Rota's have a 48mm offset.
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