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Old 01-03-2003, 04:41 PM   #1
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Default No Safari Rally in 2003

That was the most fun to watch. Seeing all those animals go everywhere.
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Old 01-03-2003, 10:47 PM   #2
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What they didn't show you was the man on the bike who got hit (and killed? I'm not sure). The teams were complaining about the extra expense of the helecopters and such. It also doesn't really fit in with the rest of the WRC, it belongs more with the Paris-Dakar type rally!

BTW - This was announced around the time of the 2002 Safari Rally, but I resisted the urge to post the WTLW pic!

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Old 01-03-2003, 11:30 PM   #3
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Err, there is a Safari rally for 2003. Just not a WRC round.

http://www.eastafricansafarirally.com
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Old 01-04-2003, 05:07 AM   #4
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I dont blame the FIA for removing the Safari rally.
Did you see how many cars finish last year?
Good for the manufacturers too as they wont have to spend so much on rebuilding the cars.

Some of the roads were just horrendous. Big huge chucks of rocks everywhere, cant even drive fast.
Well they did and paid the price.
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Old 01-04-2003, 11:55 AM   #5
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Did you see how many cars finish last year?
That is the whole challenge of the Safari!

All of the drivers seemed disappointed that it was removed.

The New World Order (Dave Richards/ISC) knows that the Safari doesn't suit their TV-centric crowd-controlled central-service-every-two-stages world of rallying for the 21st century.

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Old 01-04-2003, 03:50 PM   #6
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Safari was the last real test of endurance on the WRC calander, even Argentina and Acropolis can't compare to the sheer determination and grit needed to win in Africa. I understand that the safetly aspect was a concern, but that could have been worked out, I just don't think the FIA wanted to give them a chance to impliment new ideas. People get hurt at motorsports events, espically rally often. There is a risk involved, everyone is aware of this. Safety does need to be of major concern and if they can solve problems they should but for the FIA to act like Safari is the only dangerous rally on the calander is a farse. How many stages get closed in Europe because of poor spectator control? And that's not considered a problem big enough to consider dropping the event? Safari presents a particular problem in that many people in the area may not be aware there is a rally taking place until a turbo-charged screamer flys by their house. But its nothing that can't be solved.

If the teams where complaining about cost, then they should'nt be trying to compete at the top level of the sport. Just like in F1 if you can't afford it, don't bitch about it just go home. This is'nt a national championship or a local club event, its the WRC and you should be able to foot the bill to take part in it. It would be good to see some teams run Safari even if its not on the WRC calander.
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Old 01-05-2003, 09:55 AM   #7
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One of the stipulations was that they wanted Kenya and the organizers to close the roads and they wouldnt. Another was the terrible sand pits just outside of the service area.
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Old 01-05-2003, 11:47 AM   #8
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All of the drivers seemed disappointed that it was removed.
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except Burnsie


it will be missed.. greatly by any true rally mad fan.
that was the ultimate test.....
i hope... it will be back... closed roads or no...
what a challenge safari was...

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Old 01-05-2003, 01:06 PM   #9
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If you want to watch people die, watch war on TV.
The Safari Rally was unsafe. I dont see why there needs to be any other reason to drop it. That combined with the fact that this was very expensive for the teams to run(especially when most dont finish) did it in. We've already lost Toyota due to high costs. Id prefer not losing any more.
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Old 01-05-2003, 01:19 PM   #10
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the only thing tha ti haven't seen above that is missing is the political unrest in kenya ...
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Old 01-05-2003, 03:38 PM   #11
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Unsafe to who? How many more non-competitors died or were injured on the Safari compared to other events?

A lot of the Safari is run in the middle of nowhere ---- the danger is not to pedestrians, but mainly other vehicles sharing the roads.

All of the old marathons (London-Sydney, Peking-Paris, London-Mexico, the Safari) ---- almost all of the incidents involved other vehicles on the same roads, and a lot of them were during TRANSITS. Driving in some of these countries is DANGEROUS, there are few road rules and the drivers just drive however they like.

In terms of being dangerous to competitors, Australia has to be one of the most dangerous (trees close to roads). Just ask Delecour.

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One of the stipulations was that they wanted Kenya and the organizers to close the roads and they wouldnt. Another was the terrible sand pits just outside of the service area.
You are feeding on the dribble doled out by the FIA and Dave Richards/ISC.

How's this: if you run a rally over long distances, it is inconvenient and expensive to cover it on TV. Who owns the TV rights?

Better there should be more super specials, central service areas used every 2 stages. The camera men even get to stay at the same hotel the entire rally!

What a freakin doddle. The whole point of rally is to test the machinery and the driver's skill in dealing with the real world conditions and for the driver to preserve the machinery enough to make it to the finish.

I can see WRC 2010 "Burns has pulled into the pits and is back out again in 30 seconds and is only half a lap down".

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Old 01-05-2003, 04:54 PM   #12
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I can see WRC 2010 "Burns has pulled into the pits and is back out again in 30 seconds and is only half a lap down".

Glenn
That sounds just like CORR (Championship Off Road Racing) except they don't come out of the pits nearly that fast...hehe

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Old 01-06-2003, 02:03 AM   #13
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No one ever said they wanted to watch people die. That fact aside what kind of comment is "go watch war on TV".

Motorsports is not 100% safe to the competitors or the fans, life is not 100% safe. I don't get a kick out of people getting hurt, but where is the line drawn between individuals being responsiable for themselves compared to extraneous steps being taken to control people and their actions; basically having to keep people from hurting themselves. Following the "its not safe" logic, all motorsports should be banned. The thousands of people crowding the stages of some rallys, forcing stages to be cancelled is a clear danger that is the complete fault of the idoits who want to stand inches away from a ton of machine capable of killing them instantly. The unfortunate guy that got killed in Kenya during the rally is not the all damning reason the event is getting dropped.

And If you don't see any other reason to drop it, there was no reason to point out the cost to the teams to run it. As far as Toyota goes, they left WRC to concentrate on their Formula 1 effort. WRC is supposed to be expensive, it is the top showcase for a manufacture's product and a driver's skill.
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Old 01-06-2003, 03:07 AM   #14
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This was one of the few chances where Skoda has a podium finish chance. It leveled the playing field for a round.

Case in point

Who said motorsport shouldnt be dangerous? I say bring back the Mille Miglia. Now that was dangerous. Not that drivers dying is a good thing or entertainment at all. Its just more exciting to have the extra element of danger. Just read one of Stirling Moss's books.

And seriously, none of the drivers are getting hurt in Kenya, the speeds are too low. Unsafe to the cars sure, but not the drivers. Some of the locals are getting hurt but if the rally was run a little better that could be fixed.

I wonder what percentage of Kenya's economy is based on the rally?
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Old 01-06-2003, 03:33 AM   #15
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To me - watching a rally car drive 5 mph over rocks is about as much fun as driving on a very muddy RallyX course. Watching a rally car drive 105 mph on tarmac [through towns] or gravel [through forests] is as much fun as driving on a dry RallyX course.

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Of course rally isnt safe for the competitors. They knowingly take that risk and wear a ton of safety gear. My point was that Safari isnt safe for the locals. People who have nothing to do with the rally are put in danger.

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Old 01-06-2003, 09:49 AM   #17
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Well OK... they cancel an event. Does this mean they are going to replace it with, say... and event in North America someplace?
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Old 01-06-2003, 11:02 AM   #18
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Well OK... they cancel an event. Does this mean they are going to replace it with, say... and event in North America someplace?
It's been replaced with the Rallye Turkey for this season. But they tend to add/subtract a rally every 2 years or so. The word is that one of the tarmac rallies will probably be cancelled.
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