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Old 01-05-2003, 07:32 PM   #1
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Default It's Official - I suck

Like the title says -- it's official, I suck. The Cap't Morgan is actually making it easier to deal with.

Well, after taking about 10 years off from Autocrossing to have kids and work my rear off, I went to my first event today in my 3 month-old WRX. Boy, do I suck...did I say that already? I ran DS with no suspension changes, a Scoobysport cat-back, and noisy Yokohama 032R's. Everyone talks about push, but I thought I had it figured out (lift-throttle, trailbraking, etc.) and could live with it. Damn, this beast pushes like a pig under ANY condition but decelleration.

I used to challenge for CS FTD in my old 86MR2, but this is a new beast. I chased my tail the whole event. Is there light at the end of the tunnel?

On a lighter note -- The car is so forgiving. I had it totally sideways at about 70... all wheels spining and caught it effortlessly. THAT would never happen with the old MR2.

Thanks for listening - feel free to give me some abuse, the Cap't is backing me up!
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Old 01-05-2003, 08:08 PM   #2
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Welcome back.

I can't tell you "experience"... you got that.

You just have to re-learn. Get an alignment (see a couple other threads going on now) and just get some more seat time in the car... and if you're really going to contest DS... get some Kumho Victoracers or well... Hoosiers.

And again... welcome back.

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Old 01-05-2003, 10:45 PM   #3
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KC, thanks for the good word!

I was actually just venting a little. The course layout was speed-oriented, favoring smooth transitions and I mentally fell behind through several of the slalom sections... so I was over-correcting to get back for the next cone/gate in sequence. I'm definitely out of practice. It was also pretty humbling to have an S-4 and a 325 make me look like a chump.

I have never really pushed the car this hard and I was really surprised at how "tossable" it was -- very easy to correct. Sideways with R-tires!! definitely not the fastest way around.

Now just to get back to smooooth.

I don't plan on staying in D-stock too long. I'd really like to lower the car a bit and stiffen things up -- but only after my wife get's over the sticker shock of the new wheels & tires. I keep telling her I'm almost there!--just a few more tweaks.
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Old 01-06-2003, 06:10 AM   #4
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Yeah I learned quickly that pushing harder in this car is actually slower. It's all about finding the right balance. I can see where it's frustrating to you because if you drive it like a rear drive car then yeah you'll just get lots of power understeer, but if you drive it like a FWD car it responds a lot better and there's more grip available.

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Old 01-06-2003, 08:21 AM   #5
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KC, thanks for the good word!

I was actually just venting a little. The course layout was speed-oriented, favoring smooth transitions and I mentally fell behind through several of the slalom sections... so I was over-correcting to get back for the next cone/gate in sequence. I'm definitely out of practice. It was also pretty humbling to have an S-4 and a 325 make me look like a chump.

I have never really pushed the car this hard and I was really surprised at how "tossable" it was -- very easy to correct. Sideways with R-tires!! definitely not the fastest way around.

Now just to get back to smooooth.

I don't plan on staying in D-stock too long. I'd really like to lower the car a bit and stiffen things up -- but only after my wife get's over the sticker shock of the new wheels & tires. I keep telling her I'm almost there!--just a few more tweaks.
You cannot tell me that you forgot SMOOTH! Wow, that's worse than someone apologizing at hacky-sack! Hehe

Well if you want to lower the car and new tires... are you thinking of contesting ESP or are you going to go for STX (Street Tire)?
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Old 01-06-2003, 02:45 PM   #6
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KC -

At this point I won't be competitive in either -- for now

But, I do have a full set of each wheel & tire combo pending suspension mods -- Volk's with Azenis and Stockers with 032R's (not the best but they'll take some real abuse).

ellisnc -

I have never driven a FWD car so I'm at a disadvantage. There were many times that I thought that times might improve by going steady (not accellerating) through several transition areas.

We'll see, its only (seat) time & money, right?
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Old 01-07-2003, 03:57 AM   #7
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Interesting, what was your exact experience? I have found this chassis to require some real man handling, outside of very finesse'y throttle steer. A quick rack would have changed a lot for me in this impression. Good ta' see heads coming back to the arena...
By the way, I played with some left foot and clutch spool a bit the other day and had great results in the torque void pulling from slow apex.


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Old 01-07-2003, 10:28 AM   #8
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My only basis of comparison was my '86 MR2 -- more than 1,000 lbs lighter. The car pushed pretty bad, but it felt light on its feet. It also spun like a top often difficult to catch.

In the WRX I felt that I was sawing at the wheel through the faster slalom areas under power. Though I was always looking ahead, it felt like my line was too deep into each slalom transition.
I'm sure I was 'scrubbing off speed too frequently with overly agreessive steering input.

I think that it'll take a little time to get comfy in the new ride but I was taking off 2-4 seconds per run. There's room for improvement but I LOVE THIS CAR.
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Old 01-08-2003, 01:02 AM   #9
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zoomfactor, not sure what part of FL you are in... but watch Kiko Seibt drive. Granted his car is STX, but he certainly demonstrates one very fast way to drive a WRX. He's distinctively aggressive, but WOW... it works well for him. Watching him also demonstrates how much the car will let you get away with once you learn how to pilot it
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Old 01-08-2003, 12:27 PM   #10
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I blame it on the wheelbase. MR2's are much shorter cars and consequently handle like gokarts...same with CRX's (which is where I come from) My 2.5RS just wouldn't turn for me until I stopped trying to drive it like my CRX, which was point and squirt.

When I went to smooth and slow (more like a track car) it responded much better.

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Old 01-08-2003, 01:08 PM   #11
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Kiko was there and very quick. It was quite deceptive while working the course, he didn't look as fast as some of the cars that blew by, but his times were smokin'.

It seems like a matter of adapting to the car's strengths. I used to make up time in the twisties, but the tighter sections don't seem to be the WRX's strength.

On a side note - all of you guys going to SM are going to have fun. Lots of cars sounded like full race turbos with BOVs, chirps and Flames
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Old 01-08-2003, 01:15 PM   #12
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So, since Kiko doesnt post on here anymore, did you notice what tires he was on?

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Old 01-08-2003, 01:27 PM   #13
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Tom,
I heard he was running these new, really fast tires...um, RE92s I believe. You should probably get a set of those if you want to win.

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Wow, really? Dude I already have 2 sets of those!!!

I think Im going to cancel the KDs and run these so called RE92s.

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Wow, really? Dude I already have 2 sets of those!!!

I think Im going to cancel the KDs and run these so called RE92s.

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I would suggest against that. They are being blamed for everything, including the Hindenberg, genital warts, and Chelsea Clinton. I would recommend something like a Continental ContiSport.

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Tom - I didn't notice what tires he was on. However, they didn't look like 245's.
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