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Old 01-06-2003, 10:28 PM   #1
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Default redline? weight? more specific specifications anywhere?

Is there another website ith more info out there? Engine redline, I'm guessin will be around 7000-7500. Hopefully it hasn't gotten much fatter either, but 6 speed, beefier diffs, larger engine, all weight gainers. So if it is 300 hp, and 300 lb-ft, we are lookin at 225 hp and 225 lb-ft to the wheels, if the drivetrain loss is similar. Not that much more impressive than the 2.0 liter, but certainly more low end torque and potential than the 2.0. I'm very excited to hear more about this car!!
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Would like to hear more about the suspension points, too..
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Old 01-06-2003, 10:44 PM   #3
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Weight, compression ratio (how much more turbo can be modded in?) important points. I wonder when the physical details will come out...
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Old 01-06-2003, 10:56 PM   #4
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the issue of CAR magazine w/ the UK spec STi test lists an 8000 rpm redline.
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Old 01-06-2003, 11:09 PM   #5
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In the picture of the tach at http://impreza.subaru.com, it looks to me like the redline is at 8000 rpm. The 7000 rpm line is clearly white, and the 8000 rpm line is red. I guess it could be in between the two, but over 7000 rpm for sure.

I'm very curious about the weight, too. I hope it's not too porky, my totally uneducated guess is 3100-3200 lbs.
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Old 01-06-2003, 11:10 PM   #6
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Yes, but UK gets the 2.0, not the 2.5. The 2.5 will be exclusive to the US I believe. Even 7000 rpm is rather high for a 2.5 liter 4 cylinder, the Rs redlined at what, 6250?
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Old 01-06-2003, 11:14 PM   #7
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compression ratio
8.25:1 I would guess.

Redline: really, you'll be busy worrying about other things.

Weight: search for other thread on post I made speculating as to the weight.
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Old 01-06-2003, 11:18 PM   #8
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Quote:
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8.25:1 I would guess.

Redline: really, you'll be busy worrying about other things.

Weight: search for other thread on post I made speculating as to the weight.
How did you come up with this figure. Thats sort of a non-standard CR. Usually you see 8, 8.5 etc...
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Old 01-06-2003, 11:24 PM   #9
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Yeah, I just made it up.
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Old 01-06-2003, 11:54 PM   #10
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Redline: really, you'll be busy worrying about other things.
Depends, if you plan to use the car for auto-x, it could be very important. With the 6-speed, 2nd gear should have a higher gear ratio than with the WRX 5-speed. Which is mostly a good thing, except that you'll have to shift to 3rd a lot if you can't hit 60+ mph in 2nd.
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Old 01-07-2003, 12:29 AM   #11
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It depends on the final drive ratio too.
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Old 01-07-2003, 12:37 AM   #12
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I think the weight will be down from the current WRX because even a radio isnt standard on the new STi for "weight savings" so im guessing between 2800-3000 lbs
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Old 01-07-2003, 12:42 AM   #13
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No, DCCD and 6MT add weight.

I think I guessed 3260 elsewhere. I believe the truth is that the final weight is not known yet.
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Old 01-07-2003, 12:48 AM   #14
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The 6spd is approx 50lbs more than the 5spd according to what I've heard. Its 180lbs IIRC, and the 94 STi tranny I have was 136lbs w a little fluid in it.

The big thing is will we get the 03 Forester design front structure, as it has hydroformed rails and a few other detail changes which help the 03 forester be 100lbs lighter than the 02 w simmular stuff on board.

So if the Sti cuts 100lbs by switching to the new front end structure and misc stuff, then it should be about the same as the current WRX or 3050-3100. I'd take that figure as a MINIMUM though.
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Old 01-07-2003, 12:58 AM   #15
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The GDA Impreza already has the hydroformed front subframe. The Forester picked it up afterwards.

Trust me, it will be heavier than the WRX (otherwise they would have left the radio, rear wiper, seat pass through etc in).

I don't have the specs in front of me, but the DCCD does add weight too. I believe the benefit of it outweighs (ha ha) the weight gain.

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yeah, i also think is going to be heavier then WRX, but prob not alot, because the STi has no stereo and lightweight rear window.
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Old 01-07-2003, 01:17 AM   #17
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Im guessing the 2.5 is slightly heavier than the 2.0 as well.

My guess is that it will weigh approximately what the JDM and Euro STi weighs.
Around 3150 IIRC? (too lazy to look up)
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Old 01-07-2003, 01:25 AM   #18
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A review of the MY03 JDM STi (our MY04) they said Subaru lightened the car by 80kg when compared to the MY02. So roughly that's about 100lbs? Of course the STi has heavier componenets that our WRX so they should about even eachother out.

But weight savings was a part of Subaru's redesign of the Impreza body.
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Old 01-07-2003, 01:26 AM   #19
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The JDM STi weighs quite a bit more than the JDM WRX.
WRX is 1360kg and STi (6 spd+DCCD) is 1440
So, i think the US STi would be at least 1460 kg (for the 2.5 engine and US bumper crap)
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Old 01-07-2003, 01:30 AM   #20
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A 2.5 should weigh less than a 2.0. Pistons are much lighter than the block that incases them. We know that the exterior block dimensions are the same on 2.0 and 2.5, therefore we know that there is more material encasing the pistons in a 2.0.

That fact they tried to save weight may have little to do with the actual weight concerns, but rather emissions laws, as was stated by others.

I believe that previous STi models did in fact not weight more than the standard model, but rather less. This is particularly true with the limited models (S202, Type-C, etc)

There's no reason to believe this would change at this point in the game.

3260 is way off, IMO...

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A review of the MY03 JDM STi (our MY04) they said Subaru lightened the car by 80kg when compared to the MY02. So roughly that's about 100lbs? Of course the STi has heavier componenets that our WRX so they should about even eachother out.

But weight savings was a part of Subaru's redesign of the Impreza body.
Where I come from 80kg is around 196lb. But that's on my planet, yours may be different...
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Heh. K, thanks! I don't do well on conversions... just know kg > lbs
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A 2.5 should weigh less than a 2.0. Pistons are much lighter than the block that incases them. We know that the exterior block dimensions are the same on 2.0 and 2.5, therefore we know that there is more material encasing the pistons in a 2.0.
Wow, good deduction! I NEVER would have thought of that, and the car's weight is the key unknown that I'm curious about.
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