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Old 01-06-2003, 10:38 PM   #1
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Default Will the US get enough of the STI to meet supply and keep gouging down?

My worry is the low number will be WAY below the demand causing the dealers to up the price way beyond even what honda dealers currently practice (ever try to get an Odyssey for less than 6k markup in northern california?!).

Subaru may piss more people off than they realize with low production numbers.
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Old 01-06-2003, 10:46 PM   #2
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My worry is the low number will be WAY below the demand causing the dealers to up the price way beyond even what honda dealers currently practice (ever try to get an Odyssey for less than 6k markup in northern california?!).

Subaru may piss more people off than they realize with low production numbers.
Buy it online instead of at your local "jack the price up" dealership.

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Old 01-06-2003, 11:24 PM   #3
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I've said it before and I'll say it again; once the intital demand is satisified, this won't be a hard car to get ahold of. Now, the specs are certainly more impressive than we all expected, so that may push it out to 9-12 months (from launch in May?) before it's readily available, but it will be. And I'll bet for below sticker. That, and many a dealer won't gouge even from the outset, so only stupid consumers will pay more than MSRP.

Regardless of it likely having M3 beating performance, it's still a Subaru Econobox and that just isn't going to fly with most image conscious (idiot poseur) performance car buyers. Not to mention, when it comes time to cough up the estimated $32k, I'll bet those waiting lists start shrinking awfully fast. Which is great for the rest of us . I plan on waiting until my dealer will do an IMBA deal on one for invoice. Maybe I'll have to wait a year, but that's okay by me. Check out your history books and you'll see how quickly Japanese performance cars fall out of favor. Even the similarly limited production S2000 can finally be found on dealer lots now days. Took a few years, but it's inevitable. . .

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Old 01-06-2003, 11:44 PM   #4
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Default Uhh, no...

Better wait on the 2005.

Cheaper, and the bugs worked out...
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Old 01-06-2003, 11:48 PM   #5
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IMBA deal on one for invoice is going to be more than one year out.
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Old 01-06-2003, 11:50 PM   #6
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My wrx is only 1.5 years old.
I still got 3.5 years left.
I would wait for the 2005 model. There might be some small issues Subaru have to iron out with the new engine and transmission.
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Old 01-07-2003, 09:01 AM   #7
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IMBA deal on one for invoice is going to be more than one year out.
My dealer's sales manager told me he couldn't do it the first month they were out. After that, fair game.
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Old 01-07-2003, 09:11 AM   #8
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If nobody mentioned it yet I believe the yearly production was stated by Subaru at 4-5K units per year. I believe that's the same, if not more than, as the entire production of 99 RSs.

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Old 01-07-2003, 09:34 AM   #9
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wrxsvt -

I totally agree. I've been seeing S2000s on ebay for 24-25k with low miles. WRX prices are dropping faster than a White House intern's panties.

I made the mistake of paying MSRP for my car almost two years ago. Never again.
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Old 01-07-2003, 12:14 PM   #10
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Default They SHOULD limit production

If Subaru has any sense they'll use the Porsche/BMW/Ferrarri business model and limit production so demand always outpaces supply. It keeps the car "special" and keeps dealers very happy, and keeps sales of lesser models up. That's why a M3 or M5 is hard to buy at MSRP, but 325/330 are always in stock.

You need to remember that Subaru is in business to make money.
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Old 01-07-2003, 01:19 PM   #11
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If Subaru has any sense they'll use the Porsche/BMW/Ferrarri business model and limit production so demand always outpaces supply. It keeps the car "special" and keeps dealers very happy, and keeps sales of lesser models up. That's why a M3 or M5 is hard to buy at MSRP, but 325/330 are always in stock.

You need to remember that Subaru is in business to make money.
Subaru doesn't make any more money on an MSRP sale than an invoice sale, that's about the dealers making money.
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Old 01-07-2003, 01:26 PM   #12
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At "4-5000" vehicles per year. I think that is just enough to meet demand. They may be hard to come by for the first 6 months, but you'll be able to find one no prob after that. I don't think these things are going to outsell WRXs, so 5000/year sounds right.

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Old 01-07-2003, 01:42 PM   #13
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Subaru has told us that the US will get between 1800 and 3000 a year and they will be special order only. If you want to order one for MSRP let me know
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Old 01-07-2003, 01:52 PM   #14
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IThat's why a M3 or M5 is hard to buy at MSRP, but 325/330 are always in stock.
that's not really true any more. I think that outside of a few isolated markets (whatever's left of the tech economy in Cali) you can order M3's & M5's for MSRP. you have to order & wait for them to be built, rather than buy them off the lot, but that's not a bad thing anyway.

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You need to remember that Subaru is in business to make money.
Bingo. not matter how much we want to think otherwise, car companies are businesses. it's just good that in some cases their interests intersect with ours.



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Old 01-07-2003, 02:01 PM   #15
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We were told by ore rep at subaru not to expect more than 2 a month and not to expect them to pick up non-sold orders (inventory) until all the sold orders are accounted for. Also unlike the WRX where thex expected to sell 10,000 a year and ended up selling 18,000 in 9 months this is a limited production vehicle. the ones I have for sale will be delivered on a first order first get basis.
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Old 01-07-2003, 02:02 PM   #16
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Old 01-07-2003, 03:20 PM   #17
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I totally agree. I've been seeing S2000s on ebay for 24-25k with low miles. WRX prices are dropping faster than a White House intern's panties.

I made the mistake of paying MSRP for my car almost two years ago. Never again.
I suspect the wagon prices will be more stable than the sedan. With no STi wagon, there's no big reason to prefer the new body style. But then it depends on what the little changes amount to, will the new headlights work better, will Subaru have a new gauge with OAT, and so forth.

And I'm sure glad I bought my WRX at invoice price.
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Old 01-07-2003, 03:26 PM   #18
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Wait till 2005 and get a lighted key ring.
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Old 01-07-2003, 03:28 PM   #19
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If nobody mentioned it yet I believe the yearly production was stated by Subaru at 4-5K units per year. I believe that's the same, if not more than, as the entire production of 99 RSs.

-Nick
Are you saying that Nick's information is not correct? 4-5000 cars a year is a lot of STi's!
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Old 01-07-2003, 05:08 PM   #20
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I am telling you what Subaru is saying to it's dealers
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Old 01-07-2003, 05:21 PM   #21
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John Adcock, the Executive Vice President of SOA at the press conference says there will be 4-5k annually.

"Numbers will be limited to 4,000-5,000 annually, he said. No final price has been set, but Adcock said itís likely to be in the low $30,000s."

http://autoshow.msn.com/autoshow2003...spx?xml=Subaru
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Old 01-07-2003, 07:54 PM   #22
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I work at a Subaru Dealership. My Rep said No Ordering, Because people abused the ordering system on the WRX's. look at how many WRX's Irvine has? 60 Freaking WRX's. Rest my case.
 
Old 01-07-2003, 08:15 PM   #23
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A friend of mine got a 03' M3 for msrp just about 2 months ago.
The good part about the Sti is that, performance cars around that price will drop. Namely 350Z, s2000, z4 will be cheaper. Great for everyone.
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Old 01-07-2003, 08:19 PM   #24
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I work at a Subaru Dealership. My Rep said No Ordering, Because people abused the ordering system on the WRX's. look at how many WRX's Irvine has? 60 Freaking WRX's. Rest my case.

Chris, I have 6 order's already would you like to order one?
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Old 01-07-2003, 09:12 PM   #25
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I'll make a prediction that this is the "Perfect Storm" coming together. For those of you old enough to remember when the RX7, Supra TT, 300 ZX TT and the Mitsu 3000GT all competed for the same set of buyers. I was a disaster for all of them when the four was in the market at the same time. As we all know now, they all disappeared from the US market. If these companies were making money, they would have stayed.

Now we have the EVO, STI, RX8 (how'd that get in there) and the 350Z all going for the same space. This space is NOT that big. Absurd pricing is not going to stand. In addition, throw the bad economy into the fold and you've got more of an argument for realistic pricing. There will be idiots that pay $5,000 over MSRP. I was looking at a 350Z Track edition two months ago and tons of idiots stood in line for that car. Now its MSRP. If I check two months from now, I'm sure I may even make a dealer give me a discount (that is if I still wanted one).

Let the first few on the block get gouged. It will happen. Look at the bigger picture and understand it cannot go on for long.
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