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Old 04-22-2001, 09:28 PM   #1
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the local dealer told me that my mass air flow sensor is bad due to my K&N air filter(just the drop in)and I was wondering if anyone ever had this experience before. If so could you explain how this happened, what to do so it wont happen again with the K&N in, and if K&N paid to replace the part.
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Old 04-22-2001, 09:41 PM   #2
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Sounds like crap to me. Of course I'm not an expert but K&Ns have been around forever, for all types of vehicles, and I've never heard of any problems, or cases where you should not use one... if they make if for you car, what's the problem? Also dealers cannot refuse warranty service for the installation of aftermarket things such as air, fuel or oil filters...just my $.02. You may want to drop K&N a line to see what they have to say...I would guess they would not be happy having their product bad-mouthed and will point you to the legalese around aftermarket accessories and why your dealer is full of it.
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Old 04-22-2001, 09:54 PM   #3
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well the sensor isn't under warranty any more and the dealer said if the air filter wasn't in there(K&N)there wouldn't have been a problem. They told me something like the air doubled through the sensor causing the sensor to "blow" and caused the amount of gas to double. It just doesn't seem right. I would think more cars would have this problem. Even non-subarus
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Old 04-22-2001, 10:48 PM   #4
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MY99 subarus have a very sensitive MAF sensor.

If you over-oil the K&N it *can* and *probably will* cause your MAF sensor to go belly up.

This is why it is hard to find a good CAI for 99 model years.

I just put my amsoil in 100 miles ago, and nothing bad so far. It was really oily from the factory though.. so I used paper towels to sponge up the excess and also let it dry for 24 hours before putting it in the car as per Larry Ganz's instructions.

So don't over-oil those K&N's!!!!!

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Old 04-23-2001, 04:42 AM   #5
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Hey Steppin16,

Check this link out: warrenty denial

Unless your dealer provides you with FREE replacement airfilters you have the right to use what ever replacment airfilter you would like. You are not allowed to make changes to the factory box, but as long as everything is stock w/ the exception of the filter they have are suppose to replace you MAF and maybe give you a repacement filter that they want you to use. This is all assuming you are within you warrenty time and milage restrictions.

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Old 04-23-2001, 05:52 PM   #6
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Where is Canzenova? I am new to NY and still trying to find my way around We shoudl meet up sometime and compare notes on the 99's..


MAF's are about $300ish..
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Old 04-23-2001, 08:03 PM   #7
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ya they told me it would be around 600 plus labor so im thinking about 1000 just because of a stupid air filter... ya we should meet up just as soon as i get my car back.
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Old 04-23-2001, 11:22 PM   #8
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Speaking of AMSOIL - Eric Gagnon is my sponsor!! I need your new phone number Eric (since you moved), to sign up a new dealer this week!!

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Old 04-24-2001, 12:21 AM   #9
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Hey,
Saw you the other night - remember. Silver RS? Anyway, these people around here are great. Welcome aboard.

Didn't you say they wanted $600 for the MAF? Anyone else think that its little high $$$?

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Old 04-24-2001, 04:34 AM   #10
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Cazenovia is right around the Syracuse area. It's probably less than 2 hours away from where you are at.
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Old 04-24-2001, 04:46 AM   #11
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If your car is out of warrenty, change the MAF yourself. It is very easy. Plus your dealership is full of BS if they want to charge $600 for a MAF. Give Scott a call at Subaru Parts and ask him how much for a new MAF. And your dealership is wrong about the airflow doubling under the use of a K&N panel filter, at best you will see about a 10% increase in flow easily handled by the stock ECU and well withing the tolerances of the MAF.

What symptoms are you experiencing? If you car is still running abet with some hesitation you may be able to get away with only having to clean your MAF.

(edit) It sounds like your car is still at that dealership. GET IT OUT OF THERE! Go to another dealership.

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Old 04-24-2001, 11:50 AM   #12
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thanx I'll see what I can do
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Old 04-24-2001, 04:12 PM   #13
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Definitely sounds like a line of BS. I'd get a second opinion. Wish I had more info for you. I have been, too many times, on the receiving end of that type of crap. Dealers , just say the part's broke and you don't know why.
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Old 04-24-2001, 06:28 PM   #14
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well the mess is over... by the time i called today they had just put it on and it was done... should have come here before it was in the shop... because i found the MAF for $222 on subaruparts.com and the dealer charged me 300 plus 200 for replacing it... a hole 4 bolts had to be taken off! dealers are @!#@%$#%^%^ you get the idea... now it time to send the bill to K&N lets see how that goes
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Old 04-24-2001, 10:06 PM   #15
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Cazenovia is near syracuse NY. Bummer on the maf. See you on the blvd. this week if its nice out. Hope to have my stromung system on.

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