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Old 01-07-2003, 02:46 AM   #1
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Did anybody catch the STi on the news? Im here in Central Oregon and we recive Portlands Fox news station. They showed about 30 seconds of the car on the track taking corneres hard and they gave the specs on it. They said it would do 5 seconds to 60? Seems a little high....
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Old 01-07-2003, 06:45 AM   #2
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A couple of the car magazines smoked Subaru's original 0-60 estimate for the WRX by around a second. The five second mark will fall and fall hard. That is Z06, 911, Ferrari territory, folks.
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Old 01-07-2003, 09:17 AM   #3
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Just compare this with the 22b,

Now, we get in essence a 25b. The 22b did 4.0-4.4 0-60mph runs. I BET that it will be LOW 4 second on 93 octane. We don't get that fancy 100 octane at every gas station.

What would be cool is if the cpu would recognize if 100 octane IS put into it. THEN, I'd be afraid.
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Old 01-07-2003, 09:24 AM   #4
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compare this car to the C4s, the weight and power are similar, and both have awd.

numbers should be similar.
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Old 01-07-2003, 09:37 AM   #5
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A couple of the car magazines smoked Subaru's original 0-60 estimate for the WRX by around a second. The five second mark will fall and fall hard. That is Z06, 911, Ferrari territory, folks.
Never timed my friend's 996 while I was in it but a Z06's official 0-60 is 3.6 sec. Never time my friend's either but I didn't even have time to look at the clock. Turns were coming up so fast.

I don't think the STi will come close, in stock form. I haven't been in a Ferrari who's drivers actually drives. Most of them are old farts looking for young girls.


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Old 01-07-2003, 09:53 AM   #6
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Default hmmm 0-60 times

The difference between 4.5 seconds and 5 seconds is half a second right. (easy math However there is a huge difference between a car that is a 5 second car and a 4.5 second.

A post above talked about the Z06 as a 3.5 sec. car. (ive never heard this data before) From all the tests I've read, I'll say the Z06 is a good 4.3-4.5 sec. car. There is a huge difference between a 3.6 sec. car and a 4.5 sec. car. There are only around 3 production cars I can think of that are at 4.0 sec or below. (McLaren F1, F50, Bugatti EB)

As for the Sti, I'm thinking it will come under 5 seconds. Probably about 4.6-4.8, which is an insanely fast time. 0-60 numbers are very difficult to simulate in real life but they do give us an indication of what a car can do. (I use to work at a driving school and racetrack where we "tested" cars on handling and speed etc...)

The WRX has an official 5.6 0-60 time. Now that the Sti has 73 hp more horses, one cannot just say that it will be a 4.0 sec. car. It doesn't really work that way.

Many sports cars are coming into the 5 seconds category, however very very few are 4 sec runnrers. Hopefully the Sti will be in the middle of it.

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Old 01-07-2003, 10:03 AM   #7
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The difference between 4.5 seconds and 5 seconds is half a second right. (easy math However there is a huge difference between a car that is a 5 second car and a 4.5 second.

A post above talked about the Z06 as a 3.5 sec. car. (ive never heard this data before) From all the tests I've read, I'll say the Z06 is a good 4.3-4.5 sec. car. There is a huge difference between a 3.6 sec. car and a 4.5 sec. car. There are only around 3 production cars I can think of that are at 4.0 sec or below. (McLaren F1, F50, Bugatti EB)

As for the Sti, I'm thinking it will come under 5 seconds. Probably about 4.6-4.8, which is an insanely fast time. 0-60 numbers are very difficult to simulate in real life but they do give us an indication of what a car can do. (I use to work at a driving school and racetrack where we "tested" cars on handling and speed etc...)

The WRX has an official 5.6 0-60 time. Now that the Sti has 73 hp more horses, one cannot just say that it will be a 4.0 sec. car. It doesn't really work that way.

Many sports cars are coming into the 5 seconds category, however very very few are 4 sec runnrers. Hopefully the Sti will be in the middle of it.

Truly,

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With all that trq and a taller first gear I agree that this will be a high 4 sec 0-60 car. Maybe 5 flat. Still very fast for a stock car. My wrx is under 3 seconds to sixty. I prefer to use 1/4 mile times. I expect low 13's out of this car stock.

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Old 01-07-2003, 10:16 AM   #8
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Just compare this with the 22b,

Now, we get in essence a 25b. The 22b did 4.0-4.4 0-60mph runs. I BET that it will be LOW 4 second on 93 octane. We don't get that fancy 100 octane at every gas station.

What would be cool is if the cpu would recognize if 100 octane IS put into it. THEN, I'd be afraid.

It's also about 600 pounds heavier than the 22B. Huge difference there.
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Old 01-07-2003, 10:26 AM   #9
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600lb seems a little high. Isn't the 22B 2700-2800lb and the STI about 3100lb?

I think it's more like 3-400lb difference. I can live with that.
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Old 01-07-2003, 10:47 AM   #10
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600lb seems a little high. Isn't the 22B 2700-2800lb and the STI about 3100lb?

I think it's more like 3-400lb difference. I can live with that.

WRX's are 3100 ish. Mine was 3080 on the scale at the track. I suspect the STI will be around 3350 actual weight. The Six speed conversion adds 200 lbs to a WRX and the new STI has alot of new electronic features.

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Old 01-07-2003, 11:00 AM   #11
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There is no way in this world a Z06 can do a 0-60 in 3.6 secs. Car and Driver got 3.6 secs in a 2003/2004 Ferrari Enzo. And the Enzo has 660HP, 452Trq and a 6 speed F1 tranny. I say no way a Z06 does 3.6 secs.

Now maybe a Lingenfelter Z06 with a Supercharger may get that time, but not a stock one.
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Old 01-07-2003, 11:20 AM   #12
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WRX's are 3100 ish. Mine was 3080 on the scale at the track. I suspect the STI will be around 3350 actual weight. The Six speed conversion adds 200 lbs to a WRX and the new STI has alot of new electronic features.

CT

The STi in Japan is 3190 lbs. I would expect it to be right around 3250 in the US, which is the same as the EVO. The 22B weighed 1240kg, which is ~2734 lbs. So you are talking a 500lb weight difference. 22B was also a heck of a lot more expensive than this car is gonna be.
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Old 01-07-2003, 01:07 PM   #13
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I think the 996 GT2 is under 4 seconds to 60. I think the previous turbo was too. The current turbo is right around 4.0.

I haven't seen a ZO6 crack 4 seconds in any of the magazine tests.

AZScoobie - your car is under 3 seconds to 60???
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Old 01-07-2003, 02:13 PM   #14
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When I had my Z06 the fastest I got it to do 0-60 accourding to G-Tech Pro was 4.8 seconds.
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Old 01-07-2003, 02:30 PM   #15
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0-60 time on Z06 is about 4.1 seconds and it weighs about the same as the new STi. It also has 405 HP and 400 ft-lbs or torque. I know y'all excited here, but the Z06 is at least 1 notch above and STi but more likely 2. Also, (and i hate drag racing, but anyways . . .) remeber the 0-60 times on Imprezas is always more than it's 1/4 times becuase of the hole shot. Also, the Z06s skidpad is over 1g if I'm not mistaken. I suspect if you take your STi hunting for Z06s you will be severely embarassed, unless it's raining.

And I'll politely ignore the reference to the 911. Now were talking paradigms instead of notches.
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Old 01-07-2003, 02:54 PM   #16
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mmmm.... shifting paradigms....
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Old 01-07-2003, 03:22 PM   #17
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Do any of you think you will get to race your future STI head to head with a Linginfeltherup Z06 or a GT1 Porche or a McLaren F1?

The STI will smoke about 98.9% + of anything you come into daily contact with. I would stick to comparing apples to apples.

Subaru has done GOOD! - to say the least.

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Old 01-07-2003, 03:48 PM   #18
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Why do people post information without doing any research.

0-60 for the Z06 is 3.9 straight from the chevrolet website and plenty of other sources.

http://www.chevrolet.com/corvette/model_z06.htm
http://www.supercars.net/garages/MMO/18v2.html

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mclaren f1 is overrated. For $1M you get a car that goes 0-60 in 3.2s. The $125K Ford RS200 is not only rare, but does it in 3.07s and has AWD to boot. Not to mention rally heritage

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I think the 996 GT2 is under 4 seconds to 60. I think the previous turbo was too. The current turbo is right around 4.0.

I haven't seen a ZO6 crack 4 seconds in any of the magazine tests.

AZScoobie - your car is under 3 seconds to 60???

Read this thread:

http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show...hreadid=280215

There is a calculator that figures out 0-60 by your 1/4 times online. Since I am going almost 100mph in a tad over 7 seconds I think its pretty close. The sixty foot time of 1.603 also points to this. Keep in mind this is a 5500 rpm launch on the bottle.

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mclaren f1 is overrated. For $1M you get a car that goes 0-60 in 3.2s. The $125K Ford RS200 is not only rare, but does it in 3.07s and has AWD to boot. Not to mention rally heritage

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ok, whatever you say. 0-60 times are not a very good judge of how well a car drives, unfortunately.
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Read this thread:

http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show...hreadid=280215

There is a calculator that figures out 0-60 by your 1/4 times online. Since I am going almost 100mph in a tad over 7 seconds I think its pretty close. The sixty foot time of 1.603 also points to this. Keep in mind this is a 5500 rpm launch on the bottle.

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Sorry, I wasn't familar with your car. That's very impressive stuff very impressive.
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wrx-pete: Yeah why do people do that, including yourself?!

This page will put the question to rest regarding z06 0-60. It lists MANY different sources of 0-60 times, average real world is about 4.3-4

http://corvetteactioncenter.com/spec...06perform.html
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Old 01-07-2003, 10:21 PM   #24
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I found this on the UK version (I think) and its at 0-60 in 4.6secs

http://www.fantasycars.com/sedans/html/wrxnewsti.html
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wrx-pete: Yeah why do people do that, including yourself?!

This page will put the question to rest regarding z06 0-60. It lists MANY different sources of 0-60 times, average real world is about 4.3-4

http://corvetteactioncenter.com/spec...06perform.html
Like I said, no sub 4's out of any magazines.

Actually, the only one I was directly looking at was the 4.7 from Road and Track, which I think is pretty high. M3's do 4.7's with 333hp and more weight. ZO6 is a very fast track car that's street legal, and I've seen several sources say that it's competitive with a 996 turbo on the track for half the price. This car will get no hate from me
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