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Old 01-07-2003, 01:14 PM   #1
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This is not a flame. I love all high performance cars. However, the new STi is loosing it's root.

I was thrilled to see the spec, 6-speed, DCCD, Recaro seat, Brambo.... It's just like the current Japanese model. But then I realized that it's 2.5 liter. It missed the 2.0 liter root. And 2.5 liter is only available in NA, not Europe, not Japan, not anywhere else in the world. I guess bigger is better?

Yeah, you get more low-end torque, but don't you want a STi that's in the WRC. One of the main selling point of WRX is because of the WRC. Race car performance for street use. Do you see what I am saying here?

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Old 01-07-2003, 01:18 PM   #2
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No I don't get what your saying. I hate turbo lag, I want the most power down low I can get. If they wanted to put a built 3.0 H6 in there that would be even better.
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Old 01-07-2003, 01:19 PM   #3
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STi already lost its 2.0L roots with the 22b then
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Old 01-07-2003, 01:24 PM   #4
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if improving the performance and handling prowess of the other 2.0l STi means losing it's roots..... then TIMBERRRRRRRR!!!!
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Old 01-07-2003, 01:28 PM   #5
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I don't really care if the car is WRC spec or not. I like the extra displacement. It's an incredible car on its own merits, not just because it looks like the WRC car. Trust me...2.0L vs 2.5L is not the biggest difference between the two cars
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Old 01-07-2003, 01:33 PM   #6
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Evolution is a beautiful thing.... not in the Mitsubishi sense, however. It's called development; times change and cars follow to meet demands.
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Old 01-07-2003, 01:42 PM   #7
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With the emissions we have in the USA, the 300HP 299Trq Japanese 2.0L motor would only make 276HP and 266Trq like it does in Europe with their emissions. So, Subaru decided to up the displacement to give it the same HP and Torque as the Japanese car, even with all the cats the thing is going to have.

If you ever work in big business, you will realize that the Marketing division drives the company. Then the engineers and developer try to make what the Marketers come up with. So, the Market execs told the engineers, we need the STi to have 300HP and 300Trq and pass emsission in the USA, especially in California. The engineers went to the drawing broads and said no problem, we will just go 2.0L to 2.5L and the problem was solved.
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Old 01-07-2003, 01:59 PM   #8
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this car will be a new legend in the subaru world, they all envy us all over the world for what were getting

and yes, it's not like the mighty2.0sti, but, who know, maybe special editions sti somewhere else in the world will have this engine, they already have the 2.5 n/a in the legacy in europe, even in the impreza in australia, a 2.5rs

so this is an evolution of the sti, not just the sti brought over here in north america
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Old 01-07-2003, 02:12 PM   #9
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oh come on ur kidding
i hope.
if not...something
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Old 01-07-2003, 02:29 PM   #10
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And isn't it just possible that the WRC will make room for this car somewhere??
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Old 01-07-2003, 02:46 PM   #11
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2.5L in WRC? Absolutely not.
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Old 01-07-2003, 02:47 PM   #12
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It's called development; times change and cars follow to meet demands.
Amen !
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Old 01-07-2003, 02:49 PM   #13
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I, too, found it odd that they moved away from the 2.0 restriction of the WRC. However, the good news is that Subaru now has a turbocharged 2.5 engine which is good to go for US emissions! I am looking forward to that power plant being put in a Legacy wagon. A larger, more powerful motor for a larger heavier car.
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Old 01-07-2003, 02:53 PM   #14
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troll?
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Old 01-07-2003, 02:54 PM   #15
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I believe there are larger taxes to be paid on larger displacement engines. Thats why most of these cars are 2.0 l, I'll gladly take more displacement... any day.
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Old 01-07-2003, 02:55 PM   #16
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I hope rally rules in NA don't restrict cars to 2.0L, or us rally enthusiasts who want to race our own cars in a few years will either have to do an engine swap or use a WRX.

I don't know what side of the fence I'm on for this arguement. I am a HUGE Subaru WRC fan (have been for about 8 years) and so I love the 2.0... but 2.5L just has way more potential and way less lag... it's loosing part of it's WRC roots, but gaining more all-round race ability.

Maybe team SMR can kill those BMWs now that the displacement is a little closer (not that they didn't already beat them).
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Old 01-07-2003, 02:58 PM   #17
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na2tt

man... live in the future...

Even JUN has a .4ltr upgrade for the EJ20... that makes it 2.4!!! With what subaru has done, is upped it to a 2.5 ltr!!!!

damn...... Just for the .4ltr stroker kit from JUN, it costs approx. $2150, ...subaru topped JUN, and gave us an extra .1 of a ltr!!!

muahahahaha....... ...displacement...yah baby yah...

anyways...hopefully i've given you some new insight
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Old 01-07-2003, 03:31 PM   #18
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On US fuel and US emissions the JDM car would not have been able to beat the EVO. Suby did what was best. They made the changes necessary to make the car for USDM the same performer as it is in Japan. For that I am thankful. Yes, it strange to see the larger engine. But you know, that is the beauty of a boxer. I had forgotten since my days of working on VWs how easy it can be to add displacement in a boxer. I say Thanks to Subaru for this evolvement of the STi.
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Old 01-07-2003, 03:35 PM   #19
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The 22B was Subaru taking the WRC car and "making it street" it didn't prevent them from continuing the 2L WRC cars. The USDM STi is just a modern WRC car "made for the street" most people in the US won't feel a disconnect with WRC because they didn't care or never knew of WRC in the first place.
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Old 01-07-2003, 04:10 PM   #20
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Default Re: New STi is loosing it's root

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Yeah, you get more low-end torque, but don't you want a STi that's in the WRC. One of the main selling point of WRX is because of the WRC. Race car performance for street use. Do you see what I am saying here?

--Joey
Yeah, I see what you're saying. Sure it's as fast, if not, faster than JDM STi. But you can't go watch STi on WRC and say, "That's what I have!"

I was hoping for 2.0L STi....but oh well. If Subaru had to put 2.5L to meet emission laws and Mitsu was able to put 2.0 does that mean 4g63 engine is more efficient/better?
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Old 01-07-2003, 04:18 PM   #21
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I, too, found it odd that they moved away from the 2.0 restriction of the WRC. However, the good news is that Subaru now has a turbocharged 2.5 engine which is good to go for US emissions! I am looking forward to that power plant being put in a Legacy wagon. A larger, more powerful motor for a larger heavier car.
japan and Europe will keep the 2.0L STi so that Subaru can keep the production numbers of Impreza to qualify for the WRC. If All were to move to 2.5L then Subaru will be making a Justy WRC because FIA will not change the rules of WRC.

This is Subaru marketing to make a much anticipated STi be street legal and beat the Evo VIII.

As said above the USDM STi will be a street car and not a rally inspired car

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Old 01-07-2003, 04:24 PM   #22
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Sure it's as fast, if not, faster than JDM STi. But you can't go watch STi on WRC and say, "That's what I have!"
Ack! - How can you think the car you currently have (or the JDM STi for that matter) is even remotly similar to the WRC Impreza? They share a common body shape, and... well that is about it. the common parts list could probably be written on the back of a postage stamp.

Yes, 2.0L AWD cars are kind of like what they use in the WRC, and our cars owe it's herritage to that. But I really, really hope that you aren't ever saying "That's what I have!"

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P.S. The homoligation rules for the WRC require fewer than 50 units to be built. The Japan/Europe Production does not have a play in this. Have you ever seen a 2.0L AWD Focus or 206 for sale? It's not required.

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Old 01-07-2003, 04:46 PM   #23
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Why don't you just screw the emissions regulations (unless you have to get emissions tests) and rip all the cats off and run a straight pipe exhaust. Then re-flash the computer to run better, and put a bigger turbo on it. You could probally push 400 HP. Then make the car lighter, carbon fiber body, etc., and you will have a machine. If you so disire, add nitrous and you can burn all FOUR wheels through all SIX gears off a stoplight across from a Mustang STV. Sweeeeeeeeeeeeeeeet!

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Old 01-07-2003, 05:30 PM   #24
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I never in a million years would have thought that they would go with the 2.5 platform...but I'm definately not complaining I love those specs, and there is gobs of torque.
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Old 01-07-2003, 05:38 PM   #25
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I wish it was a twin turbo flat -6!
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