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Old 01-07-2003, 02:18 PM   #1
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Thumbs up The "completeness" of this car is astounding

Ever since the press release I've been incredibly excited as most of us have been. It finally occured to me though, what is so cool about this car. It is COMPLETE. From top to bottom front to back this car has everything it needs and then some. It's easy to get fixated on the DCCD or the 300/300 HP/TQ or the 2.5L displacement. But, the key to this car is that it (at least on paper) is that it is all tied together in a way that few production cars at any price are offered in the US. The sticky tires connected to the forged wheels, stopped by Brembos, pushed by a 6spd DCCD AWD drivetrain, powered by a 2.5L, turbo, forged internal, AVCS powerplant and this is just the start. How about the bigger IC with water spray or skip over the HIDs, what about the reduced thickness glass!? This car(again the "on paper" disclaimer") is truely an amazing machine for the core performance enthusiast and the next several months are going to be incredibly exicting for prospective owners and the automotive industry at large. Thanks again SOA/SOJ/FHI!

This is so much fun!!!!!
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Old 01-07-2003, 03:52 PM   #2
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I agree, mostly.

No wagon!
Limited production (price increases)
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Old 01-07-2003, 03:59 PM   #3
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With every new release of a Vehicle, there is always someone that will b1tch about something with the car.
Would the USDM market be satisfy if we didn't received the '04 STI at all or even the Evo VIII with w/current specs???
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Old 01-07-2003, 04:01 PM   #4
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may i also interject to say that the integra type R was also a very 'complete' car from the factory... with one exception: crappy seats (well, the mesh + alcantara was nice, but they were still had very little lateral support). i remember the day i picked it up, though . . . drove it off the showroom floor, and boy was it the most perfect-feeling vehicle i have ever driven (still is). i love my RS and AWD absolutely rocks the casbah, but the ITR is an extremely well-built machine, and excelled at everything i asked it to do.

i owned mine for a year and loved every minute i was driving it . . . i sold it for pure fear of theft/vandalism... i would love to own another though, this time in white... a '98 would be ideal.

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Old 01-07-2003, 04:30 PM   #5
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I thought to myself "What would I do to modify a STi if I got one?" and I thought ... "Why, nothing."

I'm sure that can change. Can anyone think of a modification one would do to an STi? (Remove A/C?)
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Old 01-07-2003, 05:03 PM   #6
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I'm sure with time the mods will come. This looks to be a great car but in a year we'll find things we want to change. The stereo and security system will likely be my only projects for the first year but more will come. Many will be turning up the boost, adding exhausts, etc...

What's so darn cool is that there is no glaring major mechanical flaw, at least that is obvious. Most cars you can think of you can also think of a few major flaws that would need to be fixed before the car was really complete.
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Old 01-07-2003, 05:12 PM   #7
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I wouldn't mod a damn thing, but I'm sure some people will.

At least they won't need to mod the brakes!
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Old 01-07-2003, 05:30 PM   #8
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I thought to myself "What would I do to modify a STi if I got one?" and I thought ... "Why, nothing."

I'm sure that can change. Can anyone think of a modification one would do to an STi? (Remove A/C?)
Make a wagon. Seriously, about the "reduced thickness glass." What does that mean? Will STi owners be carping, as some WRX owners are, about cracked windshields? I sure hope not.

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Old 01-07-2003, 05:35 PM   #9
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Ok, Ok, a wagon would rock and I as well as many would pick a wagon of the sedan if it was offered. Performance wagons are sweet. But that's not really a design/mechanical flaw with the sedan, more of a flaw in Subaru's lineup. I think the STI wagon would sell incredibly well since most of us who can afford an STI have things like kids, dogs, etc that need to be hauled around on a regular basis. We are obsessed with interior space and utility in the US and I think the poor sales figures of the STI Wagon in Japan are no indication of what NA sales would be like.
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Old 01-07-2003, 06:41 PM   #10
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Dont worry about the wagons, the Turbo STi Forrester is on its way

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Old 01-07-2003, 09:08 PM   #11
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Yeah, damn you Subaru, turbo the H6 3.0 already

The completeness of the STi is amazing. I was thinking today what it would cost me to get my WRX as good as an STi.

HIDs $1000
Brembos $2500
Six Speed $4000
LSD in front $1000
Larger turbo, injectors, and fuel pump $1200
Tires $1000

It would cost well over $10,000 and it would be nowhere near as solid, reliable, or expandable. The STi, at least on paper, appears very complete.

As far as modding the STi, if I get one you can bet I'm going to do a full exhaust change (catless or one cat), and an ECU reflash. Why setlle for 300/300 when you can have 380/380 for another two or three thousand
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Old 01-08-2003, 05:20 AM   #12
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Make a wagon. Seriously, about the "reduced thickness glass." What does that mean? Will STi owners be carping, as some WRX owners are, about cracked windshields? I sure hope not.

Kevin
It's only reduced thickness in the rear glass... so it should be getting hit with rocks.

I don't think I'd need more than 300HP/300TQ... I dont' want to be afraid of WOT.
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Old 01-08-2003, 06:55 AM   #13
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Make a wagon. Seriously, about the "reduced thickness glass." What does that mean? Will STi owners be carping, as some WRX owners are, about cracked windshields? I sure hope not.

Kevin
please to be reading the brochure carefully.

sti owners would rather have less weight than glass cracking fears i am sure. its only the back glass, anyways. my wrx windshield has been hit hard (loudly at hwy speeds) many times by flying stuff and never even chipped or nothing.
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Old 01-08-2003, 12:31 PM   #14
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There is one VERY obvious mod that the STi needs (imho).... a better driver. With a car that great, most people (myself included) wouldn't be able to drive it to its full potential.
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Old 01-08-2003, 12:40 PM   #15
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I'm sure that can change. Can anyone think of a modification one would do to an STi? (Remove A/C?)
Yeah, how about putting a Euro spec back seat in it so I can have a pass-through for my skis.
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Old 01-08-2003, 12:44 PM   #16
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Agreed, lots of WRXs need a better driver too...
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Old 01-08-2003, 12:48 PM   #17
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may i also interject to say that the integra type R was also a very 'complete' car from the factory... with one exception: crappy seats
I am suprised you didnt mention power as a deficiency in the ITR. It is well put together and makes all the right moves and sounds but, it still is rather anemic in the power department.

I agree this STi looks on paper like a world class package.
Cant wait to hear how it does once it hits the ground.

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Old 01-08-2003, 01:08 PM   #18
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I'm considering a lease because this is one car I could leave bone stock and be perfectly happy.
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Old 01-08-2003, 01:21 PM   #19
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I am suprised you didnt mention power as a deficiency in the ITR. It is well put together and makes all the right moves and sounds but, it still is rather anemic in the power department.
you think? i had no problems in that regard, but you have to remember that all power is above 5700rpm... so you have to be good at keeping the engine on 'boil'.

it was lots of fun. 5700-8500rpm (VTEC) was insanely rapid.

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Old 01-08-2003, 03:39 PM   #20
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I think you will find people doing minor mods on the brakes:
l. Lines--some commentators in Europe feel the brakes, while powerful, feel mushy. I expect ss lines would help.
2. Pads-unclear if stock pads are good enough-they may be, but lots of substitutes if needed.
3. High temp brake fluid---a must for any car that is tracked
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Old 01-08-2003, 04:10 PM   #21
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I think you will find people doing minor mods on the brakes:
l. Lines--some commentators in Europe feel the brakes, while powerful, feel mushy. I expect ss lines would help.
2. Pads-unclear if stock pads are good enough-they may be, but lots of substitutes if needed.
3. High temp brake fluid---a must for any car that is tracked
If the stock Brembos on the 350z track edition are any indication of braking ability then the STI will perform well. Now, before anyone gets their panties in a wad, I'm very clear on the fact that these are two totally different cars and that the Brembos will be a bit different. That said, Brembo has a good rep and I'll be they'll want to keep it that way by coming up with a great set of brakes for the price. I agree that SS lines and some Motul fluid will enhance the performance greatly for track use. However, I am hoping that the stock pads will be more than sufficient until they wear out. I suspect we'll see upgraded pads and crossdrilled/slotted rotors available for when we wear out our stockers. Bottom line though, great brake spec (standard "atleast on paper disclaimer"), going to be fun to take a stock car to the track and not have excessive brake fade.
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Old 01-11-2003, 06:02 AM   #22
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the lack of a wagon hurts the "completeness", but on that note, I have a question......so is the usdm sti going to have all the little sti touches as well? by that i am thinking of the pillow ball lateral and trailing links in the rear, the stiffer bushings, the stiffer strut mounts, strut bars, etc.? lots of these parts are parts that we wrx owners are trying to get, and if they are more readily available, that would be excellent. i think this car will do wonders for subaru in every aspect. its a nice "complete" package, and being mod proof isn't so bad. i am not ready to jump ship since i am a long time wagon owner and appreciate the versatility of wagons. i figure that my current wrx will be right up there in power and handling, by the time they release a wagon version. besides, when i jump ship to anything sti, its going to be a turbo legacy wagon.
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Old 01-11-2003, 06:13 AM   #23
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by that i am thinking of the pillow ball lateral and trailing links in the rear, the stiffer bushings, the stiffer strut mounts, strut bars, etc.? lots of
Those were never on the stock STi, even in Japan. Its all aftermarket parts.
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Old 01-11-2003, 08:56 AM   #24
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If the stock Brembos on the 350z track edition are any indication of braking ability then the STI will perform well. Now, before anyone gets their panties in a wad, I'm very clear on the fact that these are two totally different cars and that the Brembos will be a bit different. That said, Brembo has a good rep and I'll be they'll want to keep it that way by coming up with a great set of brakes for the price. I agree that SS lines and some Motul fluid will enhance the performance greatly for track use. However, I am hoping that the stock pads will be more than sufficient until they wear out. I suspect we'll see upgraded pads and crossdrilled/slotted rotors available for when we wear out our stockers. Bottom line though, great brake spec (standard "atleast on paper disclaimer"), going to be fun to take a stock car to the track and not have excessive brake fade.
Actually it appears we get more front caliper than the 350Z does. If you look at the Z caliper it's the Brembo Lotus caliper, the STi appears to use the F40 caliper. I'm not immediately sure of the rotor size, just stating what I've noticed about the caliper size.

here's a good picture of the G35 front caliper


Z caliper which appears smaller than the STi


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I was shocked to find out that it had a 2.5L engine above all. Its like old news by now but I finally watched the unveiling at the NAAS and my jaw literally dropped. 2.5? 2.5! Holy Cow! First thing that flew through my mind was Sti 2.5L swap into my OBS...that would be pure money shot.
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