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Old 01-07-2003, 01:40 PM   #1
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Lightbulb what cars will the USDM STi be capable of competing with

I know we don't know the weight of the car, but name some cars the STi could compete with. People have been saying it could hang with the z06's, but what about handling? Could it keep up with the 911's and such?
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Old 01-07-2003, 08:18 PM   #2
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cars with 0-60 4.5-4.9 seconds
M3- 4.7
Corevette- 4.9
Corevette Z06- 4.7
550 Maranello- 4.7
SVT Mustang- 4.9
911 non turbo- 4.9
Ruf RGT- 4.9

Cars to look out for
Viper GTS- 4.3
F50- 3.6
360 Modena- 4.3
Diablo- 3.6
Murcielago- 3.6
911 Turbo- 4.0
911 GT2- 3.6
Ruf RTurbo- 3.8

That's just part of the story, but that's an amazing list. In all likelihood, we'll be looking at a 4.5 second 0-60 which smokes all but the bottom list.
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Old 01-07-2003, 08:26 PM   #3
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Sti will be really competitve in quarter of mile and 0-60 due to AWD. But we still don't have the top end to compete with M3, Corvette and 911.
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Old 01-07-2003, 08:51 PM   #4
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Sti will be really competitve in quarter of mile and 0-60 due to AWD. But we still don't have the top end to compete with M3, Corvette and 911.
The Corvette, no. The M3 and the 911, yes. It makes more torque than the M3 and possibly has a better, stronger power band. It's also significantly lighter. The only thing against it is aerodynamics, and I'm not sure that either the M3 or 911 are that much better in that arena right now.

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Old 01-07-2003, 09:52 PM   #5
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Default Gearing is important though...

All the reviews i've read (EVO etc.) say the Prodrive 6spd is not a high speed box so that will probably limit top end. But who cares I dont do anything over 80 on a RallyX course anyway!
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Old 01-07-2003, 10:22 PM   #6
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All the reviews i've read (EVO etc.) say the Prodrive 6spd is not a high speed box so that will probably limit top end. But who cares I dont do anything over 80 on a RallyX course anyway!
Yeah - to around 140-150mph. You don't even reach that on a fast track like Twin Ring Motegi. Which is where my friend in his B4 Legacy gave a M3 (that was actually being driven well) some major stick. The new USDM STi will be much faster than his B4...

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Old 01-07-2003, 10:47 PM   #7
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All the reviews i've read (EVO etc.) say the Prodrive 6spd ...
Where did this "Prodrive 6spd" come from?

To return to the thread topic, the answer is that the US STi will be able to compete with any car sold in the US, but it will sometimes lose.
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Old 01-07-2003, 10:51 PM   #8
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what about the audi s4? do they still exist?

i still want to see an sti/evo8 smackdown asap... but unfortunately i live in canada and i won't be seeing anything evo-related for another year at least
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Old 01-08-2003, 01:20 AM   #9
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Where did this "Prodrive 6spd" come from?

To return to the thread topic, the answer is that the US STi will be able to compete with any car sold in the US, but it will sometimes lose.
That is a very Jon response.
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That reminds me of something.

Q: What gears will the 6speed have?

There seem to be at least 2 versions of Subaru 6 speed currrently around the world. Some have taller 4th and 5th gears. Will the Yankee STi have those gears, or will it get different gears due to its different torque band?

Q: What differential gears will the "Newest of the newer New Age" STi get?

Will both be 3.9? Will 4.444 be optional? Is the rear 3.54?
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Old 01-08-2003, 01:33 AM   #11
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Why does the Ruf RTurbo go 0-60 slower than the GT2? I don't trust those 0-60 #s listed.
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Old 01-08-2003, 04:44 AM   #12
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I just grabbed the numbers from a Road & Track. I would venture to guess that they are close to the same in quickness. I doubt that I could match those times if I were given the data, so I look at it as just general ballpark figures.
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What I'd do to compare these is overlay acceleration curves from the different cars.

The point is the new STi will be able to stand shoulder to shoulder with the kind of cars that don't need to prove anything to the Honda next to them at the stoplight.
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Old 01-08-2003, 10:03 AM   #14
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My post on the Prodrive 6spd was in reference to Paul's post on top speeds of various competitive cars. My point was that the gearing has alot to do with top end, so ... thought Sti maybe competitive 0-60 (the gearing counts here too) at top end several cars including the M3 are geared better for top end whereas the Sti is likely geared for the twisties and short sprints better.

Hope you picked on the relevance this time.
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Old 01-08-2003, 10:07 AM   #15
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Default As for the S4

Audi plans to release the new S4 with there 4.2L 8cyl motor which currently produces 300hp and 300+ ft/lbs of torque. should be very fast but wieghs in excess of 4000 lbs

I dont expect 0-60 times to be better than Sti but top end and 0-150 should be considerably better. With all that weight it probably wont do that well at autocross or prolonged track events but alot of fun on the autobahn. the intended target is likely the M3.
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Old 01-08-2003, 10:21 AM   #16
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Audi has been attempting to match BMW car for car for some time. The new S4 is intended to line up with the M3. The new 4.2 will be retuned to give somewhere between 330 and 340hp.

The S is going to be a nice car, just like the last one was. The new S won't be as tuner friendly as the last (no turbo) and it's rumored to be significantly more expensive ($42k vs. $52k).

If subaru prices the STi anywhere near $30k they may sell as many as they choose to make. To get similar performance will generally cost 40+% more.
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Old 01-08-2003, 11:10 AM   #17
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Why does the Ruf RTurbo go 0-60 slower than the GT2? I don't trust those 0-60 #s listed.
Depends on who does the testing, who drives it, track conditions, etc... Much like the "gentleman's agreement" with HP in Japan, Porsche is often conservative in stating HP and performance.

Motor Trend tested the 911 Turbo at 3.6 0-60, while stated performance is 4.2 if memory serves.
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Old 01-08-2003, 11:14 AM   #18
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Why does the Ruf RTurbo go 0-60 slower than the GT2? I don't trust those 0-60 #s listed.
Once source, supercars.net, puts the Ruf Turbo R at 3.8 and GT2 at 4.0. Admittedly, this site collects figures from numerous sources.
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Yeah - to around 140-150mph. You don't even reach that on a fast track like Twin Ring Motegi. Which is where my friend in his B4 Legacy gave a M3 (that was actually being driven well) some major stick. The new USDM STi will be much faster than his B4...

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I've been trying to get info on the new STI for weight, compression ratio and final drive. You wouldn't happen to have this figures per chance...?
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I've been trying to get info on the new STI for weight, compression ratio and final drive. You wouldn't happen to have this figures per chance...?
Yes! Give us stats.
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Old 01-11-2003, 09:33 PM   #21
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It's the same thing that I have said about the WRX:

The STi is its own market. Period. There is no other car available that will be able to do what the STi can do. I even have the advertisement in mind for the STi, after seeing that Hummer H2 commercial, and realizing that my WRX wagon can drive those same darned roads that they show the Hummer traversing.

You have some SUV on a gravel/muddy road, and off in the distance comes a flash of brights, and an STi comes smoking past, in full rally mode.

It will be as fast as many cars, faster than many others but, IMHO, is comparable to none.

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Old 01-12-2003, 12:17 AM   #22
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Default Bro, this is my favorite part bro...turn it up bro

...and the music in the background is...
"Anything you can do, I can do better; I can do anything better than you..."
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...and the music in the background is...
"Anything you can do, I can do better; I can do anything better than you..."
OH YES, I'm going to love these commercials if they decide to market the STi. My favorite ones would involve foul weather and a few of those cars that do 0-60 under 4secs in the dry

Just the jaw gapping stares of Viper and Ferrari owners as you effortlessy pass them, with the rooster tail from your four tires spinning splashes a pool of water onto their windshield.
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Old 01-12-2003, 11:36 AM   #24
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i would like to see subaru use this opportunity while promoting the sti to emphasize more on it's connection to WRC. generate more interest in north america in hopes that there will be enough of a fan base to encourage WRC to bring some events here.

does ne1 recall honda/acura doing commercials of their type-r way back when? i don't remember anything, and i used to own one
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And at the end of the commercial, 5 people get out of the car.
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