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Old 01-08-2003, 05:11 AM   #1
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I saw this mentioned in another thread... is this true? Where are people getting this info from? I've yet to see a picture of the back seat of a US Spec version.

What purpose does eliminating that serve?
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Old 01-08-2003, 05:23 AM   #2
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I saw a picture of the Euro STi interior and it had a pass-through so I don't know why the US one wouldn't. The old STi seats did not have a rear passthrough.
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Old 01-08-2003, 05:27 AM   #3
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Yeah, I have the pics of the Euro/Japan Spec interior with the passthrough...

There was just another thread...

http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show...hreadid=297867

where multiple people mentioned the US car wouldn't have it. I'm curious where they found this info, because I don't see it.

I sure hope not. I don't wanna carry my skis in the back seat.
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Old 01-08-2003, 06:49 AM   #4
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back seat without pass thru = 3 pounds

back seat with pass thru = a lot more pounds. there is a metal frame around the pass thru that weighs a lot. noob.
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Old 01-08-2003, 08:49 AM   #5
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back seat without pass thru = 3 pounds

back seat with pass thru = a lot more pounds. there is a metal frame around the pass thru that weighs a lot. noob.
I'm hoping this is a joke that I just didn't get, because otherwise, it's a pretty rude response. noob.


I think the weight savings for removing the pass through would be pretty small, and it would cost them more in the long run to have a special non-pass through back seat just for the North American STi, to save 5 lbs or so.
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Old 01-08-2003, 08:56 AM   #6
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I'm hoping this is a joke that I just didn't get, because otherwise, it's a pretty rude response. noob.
It's I ROBOT... don't take anything he says seriously
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Old 01-08-2003, 12:38 PM   #7
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Well, the upholstery is different, and they did say in the press release they eliminated some features in the car to save weight..

But eliminating the pass through?

And yeah, that was a rude response, I ROBOT.
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It's I ROBOT... don't take anything he says seriously
cept this time its true.

and they wouldnt have to make a special seat just for the US, they already make them. its just foam with fabric stretched over it.. have you ever taken out any kind of back seat before? my 00 RS backseat had no passthru and weighed nothing. the 02wrx backseat is more of a struggle for my low powered arm units (cause it weighs significant amount more. noob.)

PS I hardly ever call anyone a noob cause its rude and evil but this time i thought it was fitting etc
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PS I hardly ever call anyone a noob cause its rude and evil but this time i thought it was fitting etc
Sometimes ya just gotta put 'em in their place
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cept this time its true.

and they wouldnt have to make a special seat just for the US, they already make them. its just foam with fabric stretched over it.. have you ever taken out any kind of back seat before? my 00 RS backseat had no passthru and weighed nothing. the 02wrx backseat is more of a struggle for my low powered arm units (cause it weighs significant amount more. noob.)

PS I hardly ever call anyone a noob cause its rude and evil but this time i thought it was fitting etc
do you have a picture or reference for the no pass thru?

and, I've taken out several back seats. With pass thru. that were very light.
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heres an 02 or 03 or 01 something STI rear seat from... dunno if its japan or euro spec or anything like that, but its orig from sti. pictured its in a us wrx.

from here! http://www.autoimportcraze.com/fcar3...D=11&menu=cars

I dont know what kind of car you have now, but if you have a wrx (?) try taking out the back seat just for fun. w/o the pass thru it (the top) weighs about the same as the bottom. ill be nice now!
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Old 01-08-2003, 04:40 PM   #12
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The 1998-2001 Impreza 2.5RS had a rear seat without a passthrough (it is very light, you can balance it on one finger). I assume this was to cut costs as well as to save weight.

The STi is 'race-bred' , and doesn't come with a factory sound system. I doubt they will include a pass-through; most STi buyers probably aren't buying the car to carry their skis or lumber in, SOA seems to assume they want things like increased power and handling.

If it's so important to you, wait a few years and they might bring a STi wagon.

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BTW that seat looks to be Japan-spec, Euro-specs are grey not blue IIRC.
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Old 01-08-2003, 04:42 PM   #13
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Put me in the "I'll believe it when I see it" category.

Seems silly to me they'd eliminate that to save weight and then put power windows on the car.
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Put me in the "I'll believe it when I see it" category.

Seems silly to me they'd eliminate that to save weight and then put power windows on the car.
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AHHH there you go again!! Are you doing this on purpose?! do you know how much power windows weigh?! like, .011 grams! I saw the doohicky in the door when I was putting my speakers in and its not big or heavy or anything. Its a tiny motor, like the size of a bird brain... (some exaggeration) Its hard to find too its soo small... it might add 1 pound/ two doors. You should install a complete stereo in your car, speakers head unit everything then you gain a lot of understand about whats in your doors, under your back seat, whats under your carpet, etc.

anyways scotty has it on the nose
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AHHH there you go again!! Are you doing this on purpose?! do you know how much power windows weigh?! like, .011 grams! I saw the doohicky in the door when I was putting my speakers in and its not big or heavy or anything. Its a tiny motor, like the size of a bird brain... (some exaggeration) Its hard to find too its soo small... it might add 1 pound/ two doors. You should install a complete stereo in your car, speakers head unit everything then you gain a lot of understand about whats in your doors, under your back seat, whats under your carpet, etc.
Ummm... I don't own a WRX, nor have I ever even owned a Subaru in general, so how would I do that? Hmmmmmmmmm?

Inquiring minds want to know.

I'm still in the "I'll believe it when I see it" category and will stay there until I see some real confirmation of this.
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fair enough.

well whatever car you have take it apart and see whats in it or something. go to a junkyard look at stuff. its fun and dangerous!
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well whatever car you have take it apart and see whats in it or something. go to a junkyard look at stuff. its fun and dangerous!
I've owned about 45 cars... Did 3 complete ground up restorations, one a body off resto. I know what a car looks like dissassembled in intimate detail.

And I would REALLY appreciate it if you would stop talking to me like I'm an idiot.
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I've owned about 45 cars... Did 3 complete ground up restorations, one a body off resto. I know what a car looks like dissassembled in intimate detail.

And I would REALLY appreciate it if you would stop talking to me like I'm an idiot.
okay then. sorry i got the vibe you were not the wrenchy type because of ... er no reason
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The 1998-2001 Impreza 2.5RS had a rear seat without a passthrough (it is very light, you can balance it on one finger). I assume this was to cut costs as well as to save weight.

The STi is 'race-bred' , and doesn't come with a factory sound system. I doubt they will include a pass-through; most STi buyers probably aren't buying the car to carry their skis or lumber in, SOA seems to assume they want things like increased power and handling.

If it's so important to you, wait a few years and they might bring a STi wagon.

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BTW that seat looks to be Japan-spec, Euro-specs are grey not blue IIRC.

STi seats are all blue. The grey ones were the seats in the Euro WRX. Hey and guess what! I have a set of rear WRX seats with the pass through and a set of rear STi seats without the pass-through. You know what the weight difference between the two is? About 1 lb!

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STi seats are all blue. The grey ones were the seats in the Euro WRX. Hey and guess what! I have a set of rear WRX seats with the pass through and a set of rear STi seats without the pass-through. You know what the weight difference between the two is? About 1 lb!

Phil
you might as well tell me that you have a 10lb weight and a 3 pound weight and tell me that they are only 1 pound apart.

unless my memory of my RS seat is SOO bad that I thought it was super suprisingly amazingly light everytime i took it out and THREE days ago when i took out my back seat in my wrx and it was heavy i'm going to have to doubt that. unless the sti rear seat is dramatically unlike a 2.5 rs rear seat which is entirely.. possible.

Even if thats true-
Lets clarify one thing - the rear seat pass is not a feature of the STi. Is it because subaru doesnt want us to have a pass through, even though there (maaaayyybe) is hardly any weight penalty? Just because they didnt want to? Or because it weighs a significant amount more?!?! yeah ill take the latter
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Lets clarify one thing - the rear seat pass is not a feature of the STi.
So..

Going back to the original question... Where are you getting this information from?

I just want to see a source, is that so hard? Wanna see it with my own eyes, not just take your word for it.
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Sometimes people can't disclose their sources, or perhaps have seen the (show?) car in person.

All of the minor changes between JDM and USDM for weight savings add up. That's how you save weight on a performance car, a pound here, a pound there.

"Added lightness".

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I saw a picture of the Euro STi interior and it had a pass-through so I don't know why the US one wouldn't.
News flash: we are not getting the same car as Europe or Japan.

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Old 01-08-2003, 09:38 PM   #23
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I've squinted at the Detriot pictures before they shrunk them down to tiny levels... I believe there is no pass thru... but hey, that's what skiracks are for.
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I've never taken a WRX rear seat out, but just took my Nissan Altima's rear seat out to replace my rear struts. the bottom weight about 2 lbs, and the top, with pass through and all the metal and plastic brackets, weighed 5 tops.

I'd like to have the pass through, but would rather have weight hog fold down rear seats.

This issue will certainly not be a deciding factor for my purchase, though
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Old 01-08-2003, 10:17 PM   #25
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Lightbulb Waterspray?

I remeber seeing a factory waterspray kit for a 2002 JDM STi on Ebay about a month ago. The tank mounts behind the rear seat.

Could this be a reason for no pass-thru? We are getting the waterspray according to the press release.

I'm sure it only a matter of time before a good picture shows up.

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