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Old 01-08-2003, 11:48 AM   #1
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Question Why so much hate for SUV's???

I understand the whole "soccer mom that can't drive worth crap while talking on her cell phone" deal but in So. Cal that soccer mom also drives many other vehicles and I hate them too. So why do people hate on the SUV so much?

I started thinking about this because I usually had an attitude against them until I started thinking about having a family. It would be pretty tough to have 2 or 3 kids and all the crap you have to carry around and drive a sedan. That's were that big SUV helps out. 3rd row of seats or big back end to carry strollers and other stuff.

So discuss please.
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Old 01-08-2003, 11:50 AM   #2
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Because SUV's are a lot bigger than cars and women can't even drive cars so an SUV is even worse!

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Old 01-08-2003, 11:54 AM   #3
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I understand the whole "soccer mom that can't drive worth crap while talking on her cell phone" deal but in So. Cal that soccer mom also drives many other vehicles and I hate them too. So why do people hate on the SUV so much?

I started thinking about this because I usually had an attitude against them until I started thinking about having a family. It would be pretty tough to have 2 or 3 kids and all the crap you have to carry around and drive a sedan. That's were that big SUV helps out. 3rd row of seats or big back end to carry strollers and other stuff.

So discuss please.
Until you actually understand or have a need for the 'utility' of an SUV, then you shouldn't have one. True, there are people movers out there that are better than SUV's, but what people complain about or don't see is the SUV being used. Well duh! I only use my SUV to tow my car to national events. My wife uses the SUV to tow her horse trailer around (with horse in it). But 97% of the time, there's nothing being towed. And that's the image that peopl ehave... only when it's NOT being used. NO ONE will ever leave their trailers hooked up to traverse around town!

Many famileis in my area have boats too. So yes, 97% of the time SUV's (in my case) aren't being used to their potential... but when I need it, it's there. And that's the part people don't get. (Because they don't 'SEE' them being used as they are meant to)

Why pick on SUV? I see more PICKUPS at personal vehicles not being used and offer the same visual obstrution... but that's OK, it's a pickup truck.

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Old 01-08-2003, 11:59 AM   #4
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Most SUV's that I see around here have 1 person in them regularly, and I don't believe in the whole "i need the room" thing because I can fit more crap than i've ever needed to in the back of my wagon, no sweat, while carrying four other people. And I STILL get 26 mpg, all loaded down.
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Old 01-08-2003, 12:03 PM   #5
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Until you actually understand or have a need for the 'utility' of an SUV, then you shouldn't have one. True, there are people movers out there that are better than SUV's, but what people complain about or don't see is the SUV being used. Well duh! I only use my SUV to tow my car to national events. My wife uses the SUV to tow her horse trailer around (with horse in it). But 97% of the time, there's nothing being towed. And that's the image that peopl ehave... only when it's NOT being used. NO ONE will ever leave their trailers hooked up to traverse around town!

Many famileis in my area have boats too. So yes, 97% of the time SUV's (in my case) aren't being used to their potential... but when I need it, it's there. And that's the part people don't get. (Because they don't 'SEE' them being used as they are meant to)

Why pick on SUV? I see more PICKUPS at personal vehicles not being used and offer the same visual obstrution... but that's OK, it's a pickup truck.

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Exactly my point. People hate on them so much but many of the people that have them USE THEM. They have a purpose that almost nothing else can replace. If you have a family and have a boat??? What buy a truck and a car so that you aren't suporting SUV's??? No way. You buy an SUV and put everybody in it and tow. We want to get a boat in the future and then add a kid (maybe 2 ) and all the equipment and our friends. (seems like we never travel alone).

People that usually hate SUV's are the people that are single and or have no use for one. So then despise them?? I just find it weird.
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I hate SUV's and Trucks the same. If I see an SUV being used for something other than a daily driver through the city I have no problem with it. It is the people that drive the biggest thing they can find just because it is "trendy" that piss me off. Sure I hate being stuck behind any truck or SUV the same because I can not see a damn thing in front of them. Then the majority of the SUV/Truck Drivers are horrendous! Thatís why I hate them!
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Old 01-08-2003, 12:09 PM   #7
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I hate SUV's and Trucks the same. If I see an SUV being used for something other than a daily driver through the city I have no problem with it. It is the people that drive the biggest thing they can find just because it is "trendy" that piss me off. Sure I hate being stuck behind any truck or SUV the same because I can not see a damn thing in front of them. Then the majority of the SUV/Truck Drivers are horrendous! Thatís why I hate them!
I hate all big rig drivers b/c I cannot see around them either. Billboards bother me too.

These "I hate SUV drivers" threads crack me up. SUVs are no more useless than the STI or the WRX. What the hell does the STI and WRX do that a standard RS can't in terms of "practical" driving. The fuel economy is worse, insurance is higher and you are more likely to drive fast and kill your self.........blah blah blah

SUVs are a trend just like any other. Their time will pass.

Get over yourselves.
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Any person who needs more room should buy a minivan, full size vans, or anything bigger. The fact that people buys SUV are for the image they think they are getting.

If it's true that they wanted more room, what's wrong with the vans?

If it's for the off road reasons, then what's wrong with a quad cabs pick up? We know the SUV only goes off road is when they flip into the grassy median or ride on the shoulder to get off an exit without waiting.

The SUVs were first created for farming community who usually have a big family and does haul crap. The urban yuppies just want to image of look how high I am sitting and how big of a space I am taking. Not only does most female SUV drivers not know how to drive but they are sidetracked by other activities. Having a 4000 + lb truck and their less then 2 lb brain is a very deadly combination.

DOT should have a separate test for those who wants to operate a SUV.
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Old 01-08-2003, 12:17 PM   #9
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Any person who needs more room should buy a minivan, full size vans, or anything bigger. The fact that people buys SUV are for the image they think they are getting.

If it's true that they wanted more room, what's wrong with the vans?

If it's for the off road reasons, then what's wrong with a quad cabs pick up? We know the SUV only goes off road is when they flip into the grassy median or ride on the shoulder to get off an exit without waiting.

The SUVs were first created for farming community who usually have a big family and does haul crap. The urban yuppies just want to image of look how high I am sitting and how big of a space I am taking. Not only does most female SUV drivers not know how to drive but they are sidetracked by other activities. Having a 4000 + lb truck and their less then 2 lb brain is a very deadly combination.

DOT should have a separate test for those who wants to operate a SUV.
This is a perfect example of the person we are talking about.

A minivan?? I'm sorry but I don't care how much you hate an SUV because you will NEVER see me in a minivan.

Urban yuppies that just want image?? Have you read any of this?? I'm already thinking about one just because of having one kid and a boat. Why?? Because we would have to. I think that whole thing is way to played out. Almost every SUV I see has a few baby seats in it or has a trailer hitch and trailer wires hanging down. They are being used.

Do you use your WRX as a rally car??? Because that is what it's inteded to be, just like the SUV was inteded to be a "ranch hand" vehicle.
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Old 01-08-2003, 12:22 PM   #10
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My favorite stoopid people trick from my recent Christmas trip to New Orleans was when I was overtaken by a new Cadillac Escalade doing about 110 with the two right side tires nearly flat.....

SUV's serve a great purpose within the parameters of their design set. And that design set is that of a light truck with a high center of gravity and a wierd polar moment of inertia.

The problem is that they are marketed as "cars" and people will try to pull off high speed moves that they normally can get away with in cars.

My last trip I passed 3 major accidents. All were multi-vehicle and in every case the only vehicles not resting on their wheels were the SUV's

Use the tool as it's designed to be used.

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Old 01-08-2003, 12:24 PM   #11
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DOT should have a separate test for those who wants to operate a SUV.
I agree, and they should also have to apply for a permit to PROVE that they need it. If you have a boat, more than 3 kids, business requirements, etc....

Not for little miss priss to go grab groceries and get her nails done burning 1 gallon for every ten miles. I am a environmental consultant and i see this all the time. Our main client is ExxonMobil and I spend some time on-Site at gas stations in wealthy areas. All the women (and men) seem to drive luxo SUV's. Maybe some sports cars arent much better but dont diss the subies (Hekwrx) I approach 30 mpg and can go anywher most new luxo SUVs can.
Ever look at the ground clearance at most new SUVs they can barely hop a curb .... useless

Also, whenever it snows the only wrecks i see are SUV's who are overconfident.
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We know the SUV only goes off road is when they flip into the grassy median or ride on the shoulder to get off an exit without waiting.
Who, exactly is this "we" you refer to? I certainly need light off-road capabilities in my vehicle.
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Old 01-08-2003, 12:30 PM   #13
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OK gonna back it up here a second.

I think that there needs to be a clarification of sorts. There are 2 types of SUV's (well more than that with the new Porsche)

There are SUV's made off of truck/ladder frames (Tahoe, Escalade, Expedition, etc) that are V8 monsters that can tow anywhere from 6000-11,000 lbs. These are the huge ones, and are the ones that primarily stick into peoples minds for actualy Utility. Chevy/GM, Ford, even Toyota)

Then there's the trendy kinds... Lexus, Infiniti, Mercedes (well some of the Mercs can tow a car/boat) that really do never tow anything and provide nothing other than people moving purposes. But then again, they are fairly big, but built off of unibody construction.

You wanna pick on them, go right ahead. Just leave the big trucks outta it.

What I'm getting at is you cannot group all SUVs into one category you ricers.

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Do you use your WRX as a rally car??? Because that is what it's inteded to be
Hardly. The WRX is as much a rally car as a Monte Carlo SS is a NASCAWWR "stock car". That is, neither are remotely close to race cars. SUVs are "tough off roading beasts" (so the marketing says) that look real tough going to the supermarket and getting 13mpg. .. A few of them are occasionally used for their actual purpose.. I doubt any of the will be Hummer H2s.

I'd go on but this topic makes my head hurt.

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Old 01-08-2003, 12:34 PM   #15
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And about MiniVans...

If Lexus/Inifiniti/Mercedes made them, people would probably buy them. But in no way can they tow anything....

That's just rediculous to say "Go buy a minivan" to those that acvtually need the utility of the vehicle. (Ricer) Hahaha
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jebus christ! this is getting back into the whole 'blame the tool, not the person.' anyone on here who drives a WRX and hates SUVs for being wasteful... your argument is invalid. granted, you may get 30 mpg, but if it's such a concern, get a civic or a TDI and get even more. you drive a WRX because you like it... it fits your criteria... same damn thing goes for SUVs. if status symbol is your criteria, go for it.

this is just like all those news reports... hell, i remember back in Minneapolis when a SUV almost ran over several people... AN SUV!!! HOW THE HELL CAN AN SUV RUN OVER PEOPLE... WITHOUT SOMEONE DRIVING?!

i hate to simplify, but this nearly approaches the limits of, 'i don't like it, and therefore it should be outlawed.'
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<<<---- don't have SUV, but owns an Odyssey. My wife is the primary driver, but everytime I get a chance to drive , I drive like Marcus Gronholm
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Old 01-08-2003, 12:37 PM   #18
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The worst arguement and most worthless one is the fuel economy one.

Give me a break. If you could have a Shelby Cobra would you say no because it get's 8MPG?? If you could afford a ferrari would you not consider it because it gets 14mpg??? Give me a break.
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It seems people always need a reason to HATE other people- even if it is what they drive.
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OK gonna back it up here a second.

I think that there needs to be a clarification of sorts. There are 2 types of SUV's (well more than that with the new Porsche)

There are SUV's made off of truck/ladder frames (Tahoe, Escalade, Expedition, etc) that are V8 monsters that can tow anywhere from 6000-11,000 lbs. These are the huge ones, and are the ones that primarily stick into peoples minds for actualy Utility. Chevy/GM, Ford, even Toyota)

Then there's the trendy kinds... Lexus, Infiniti, Mercedes (well some of the Mercs can tow a car/boat) that really do never tow anything and provide nothing other than people moving purposes. But then again, they are fairly big, but built off of unibody construction.

You wanna pick on them, go right ahead. Just leave the big trucks outta it.

What I'm getting at is you cannot group all SUVs into one category you ricers.

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Both are still in the SUV catagory. Try distinguishing them to the buyers. I know the difference but most of the buyers don't care.
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Who, exactly is this "we" you refer to? I certainly need light off-road capabilities in my vehicle.
We the normal sedan, wagon car people.

There are "we", the working class with trucks, vans, semis,etc?

Then there are the people who can't make up their minds, SUVs That or they want to be able to swing between a car and a truck catagory. So they will feel like they fit in everywhere.
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It seems people always need a reason to HATE other people- even if it is what they drive.
The sad thing is, it's not the product bu the morons who buys them who cannot drive or don't pay attention.

I am not saying the car people do much better but it shows if everyone notice how many SUVs drivers behave that way and not the cars.

Kind of like my argument on old people, seniors. If we eliminatethem from driving the big boats and put them in regular size cars. I am sure they'll be much careful of how they drive. Rather then thinking they have more metal around them.
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Many people (not ALL people, not even MOST) that drive SUVs, especially the smaller SUVs, belong in wagons. The things that they primarily use their SUV for can be achieved with a wagon. Now, maybe they'll need a Legacy Wagon or something of that sort because the Impreza Wagon really isn't that big, but still, in general, a wagon is a pretty good replacement for many small SUVs.
And there are some large enough bad-azz wagons out there, like the A6 Avant (don't know if you can get an S6 Avant in the U.S.) and I'm sure at least a few others. Shoot, the Outback is damn near a "luxury wagon" so you can go in style.

Iamb you bring up a valid point about seeing SUVs that maybe aren't fully occupied but have multiple baby seats and/or obvious trailer attachments. I seriously doubt that MOST single-occupant SUVs show signs of being used "to their capacity" around me, but I will start to pay attention. Those people would get some slack with me.

I also understand that many people thing wagons are weak, blah blah blah, but that's why I'm going to move to Oz or Europe. The Baja would blend in perfectly Down Under; anyone who has been there knows what I'm talking about...

P.S. I'm not an SUV "hater" I'm just trying to bring another perspective and bring up a point that hasn't been addressed in this thread (yet)
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how come no one has argued that while most people will never use a WRX for it's "intended" purpose, it has useful benefits in any situation, like being able to turn and stop safely.

i wouldn't have a problem if most people drove SUVs the way they were meant to be driven, i.e. not 70 on a surface street, trying to cut in and out of traffic like an F1 car. other people in the general vicinity shouldn't have to pay for your mistake when you screw up sooner or later...yes, this is just as true of regular passenger cars, but they don't need special rails under the front of the vehicle to prevent it from running over and crushing/decapitating the occupants of whatever they haphazardly run into. there are more and more accidents every year, we don't need vehicles that cause more because they're unable to avoid them.

this "oh well, at least i won't get hurt" attitude is sickening. especially when most of the typical yuppie/soccer mom owners constantly harp on everyone else about being kinder and gentler...but i guess that doesn't apply behind the wheel, eh?
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This morning was a prime example of why I dislike SUV's/SUV yuppies. I'm doing 50 in a 45... traffic in front of me so I can't go anywhere... and some jackass in his Lexus is riding my bumper while talking on his phone. He's even doing the whole hand thing like he's talking to someeone in person... removing his free hand from the wheel to shake his hand for emphasis.

One of the girls that used to work here drove a big Chevy Suburban 2500... the really big one. I said something about it one day and she said it was her "mommy mobile". I pissed her off when I then told her: "But.. you only have one kid, and she's 3 now. What, does she need an entire playground in the back?"
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