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Old 04-25-2001, 11:55 AM   #1
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Question Seeking California LEGAL Knowledge (NA Engine)

Does anyone know where in the State Lawbooks (to include everything from DMV Vehicle Codes to Health and Safety Regulations) does it state that NOTHING under your hood maybe modified without an Exemption Order from the California Air Resources Board?

I was given a ticket for my intake from the CHP, went to the BAR for a referee etc. And the best anyone has yet to say is VC 27156 states nothing may be changed. But I must be missing it as I see nothing of the sort... It does refer to Health and Safety Code, and even some US Code, never saying anything about the intake path. Only repeatedly saying that smog control devices may not be altered.

Does ANYONE have a clue if there is somewhere else that says the intake path must remain UNMODIFIED?

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Old 04-25-2001, 01:11 PM   #2
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ANY altering of the original equipment supplied by the manufacturer is considered illegal in CA unless it has a CARB sticker.
See this is the SAME crap they gave me, but NOONE can tell me where is says this... Hell I even passed the Sniffer with flying <FONT COLOR="blue">c</FONT c><FONT COLOR="red">o</FONT c><FONT COLOR="yellow">l</FONT c><FONT COLOR="green">o</FONT c><FONT COLOR="orange">r</FONT c><FONT COLOR="purple">s</FONT c>, less than the averages even.

Hell I have called three offices of the CHP, and two pffices of the BAR. And that is the best answer I get. "Because!"

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Old 04-25-2001, 03:01 PM   #3
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Welcome to the communist state of California, where actual laws need not exist, only the whim of the CHP and other crooked law enforcement people dictate how we drive, live, look, and feel.

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Old 04-25-2001, 04:23 PM   #4
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Lets not point the finger @ the CHP, they are only here to enforce the laws, it's the environmental freaks that control our wonderful Rep's here in Sac that are the problem.

I mean lets not even touch on the fact that my emisions were less than the Average listed in the Smog computer...

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Old 04-25-2001, 08:53 PM   #5
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I have a friend at BAR, I'll check with him. In the mean time - I just gotta know - how did the cop find out anything was altered under the hood? If he can't see it from the outside (like seatbelts) he has to get your permission to search/inspect your vehicle. Probable Cause?
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Old 04-25-2001, 09:43 PM   #6
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CHP: Well sir, I pulled you over today for your speed down ****** blvd. However I'd like you to open your hood. Have you modified anything under there?

Me: (popping Hood) Well yea, just a cold air intake.

CHP: Really... (hood opening) ahh see that's illegal. Open air filters are illegal in California. Could you leave this open for a second, I need to take a picture of this. (Goes to get Polaroid and returning spouts) yeah any modification of your engine has to be approved by the State BAR or CARB. Do you have an EO number for this?

Me: No, from what I understood so long as the smog devices were NOT modified nothing was wrong.

yada yada yada... He was nice about it, said he may be wrong. Proceeded to NOT right me ANY sort of speeding ticket (as if I was speeding pshaw!) Even said he may be wrong. Said I needed to contact the State BAR and have a referee review my car. Went to the Ref on Monday. Passed everything but the visual...

I STILL can't find anywhere that says I can NOT modify my intake tract. The health code, the USC, nor the VC say so... they only specify SMOG devices may not be altered or tampered with.

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Old 04-26-2001, 12:28 AM   #7
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I think your gonna lose on this one. I just looked at that VC and it states :

"(c) No person shall install, sell, offer for sale, or advertise
any device, apparatus, or mechanism intended for use with, or as a
part of, any required motor vehicle pollution control device or
system which alters or modifies the original design or performance of
any such motor vehicle pollution control device or system."

Since smog control is all about air, the intake could probably be considered a " pollution control device" as the code terms it.

What kind of intake is it? If you are using a GanzFLow intake, you might be able to get away with saying it is the stock parts, as it retains the stock air box. Then again, ANY altering of the original equipment supplied by the manufacturer is considered illegal in CA unless it has a CARB sticker. That's it. Sorry. I'm in the same boat, I just haven't been pulled over yet.

Would think he would give you a ticket for a loud exhaust, not intake. Must have been a smart cop!!
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Old 04-26-2001, 01:22 PM   #8
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Hey Larry, here is when you need to chime in about the benefits of your intake. It is not an "open air filter" since it retains the stock air box, so it shoul dbe CA legal!!!
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Old 04-26-2001, 01:34 PM   #9
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Here's the site you want...sorta.
http://www.arb.ca.gov/msprog/aftermk...es/devices.htm

It's not gonna help you out, because your part won't be in there, but it gives you an idea of what's going on. Basically, if your part doesn't have a CARB EO # it's illegal. Now, we all know an air filter doesn't do anything at all...but the cops want to enforce their stupid little rules.

It's like the CVC on exhaust, basically leaves the noise levels to an officers disrection if they feel it is too loud. I didn't know they were doing this kind of stuff over in Sacramento...Fremont is famous for it, don't ever go there.

They'll pull over a car because it doesn't have a front plate and tell you to pop your hood so they can look for mods. They suck. That's why I'm gonna try to keep the WRX pretty stealth...try not to get pulled over anyways, and if I do, have it look fairly normal under the hood.

However, it has also been my experience that you can kinda get a CARB exemption from the state ref. Last time I was there the guy told me if I had a part on that didn't have an EO #, they could smog it with the part on, and if it passed, I'd get a sticker under the hood saying it was okay. Maybe you should check with your local ref about this.


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Old 04-26-2001, 10:52 PM   #10
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find a way to change vin numbers without a cop knowing. take a stock impreza and put the vin numbers on it and plates. bamn its fixed
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Old 04-26-2001, 11:10 PM   #11
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Damn Mike where did this happen as I am back up in Sacramento and am FAARRRRRRR from Smog legal (visual at least) . I saw you heading down Watt last Friday near El Camino was it in that area? PM me the details.
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Old 04-27-2001, 12:24 AM   #12
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Emission's related parts list below, from the California Air Resource Board website. Notice it says 'examples', so nothing definite here, but air filter and housing is listed...
http://www.arb.ca.gov/regact/AFTEROFF/plist3.pdf

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Old 04-27-2001, 12:36 AM   #13
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I'm currently trying to get my 79 trans am to pass smog. These state check guys are incredible! I've already been to a smog check station SIX times and still have yet to pass. The exhaust has been running cleaner than a saturn since the second time I went in for a test but they keep on failing me for the visual items. It's complete crap. The last time they failed me because my timing was set 18degrees higher! I did a simple modification to make my car run CLEANER and they fail me for it because it's not factory spec. Now that's *K*alifornia for ya.
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Old 04-27-2001, 12:47 AM   #14
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Ok, well that gets a little closer... Looks like Wankle's are the way to go... Appears their rules are mighty lax...

Although I must say it's great and all that they haven't touched that in over 10 years... and even at that only revised it...

Anyway Thanks for the info... If anyone else has knowledge or is currently fighting the BAR/CARB/CHP over intake issue please let me know...

Thanks

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Old 04-27-2001, 01:15 PM   #15
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jdgti,

As far as the idea goes for having them give me an EO#... they claimed that they do nothing but the inspection and SMOG test. They were worthless... Even refered me to the District manager to answer the "Where does it say that?" Anyway don't think that'll happen...

Mprezya,

I was cruising from T&C Village (On Marconi) when I turned down the street after Morse to avoid the Watt jam I could see ahead... Anyway three blocks later I see him cut the corner behind me... and he ended up puling me over behind the National Guard building (sort of accross from the PacBell building.). He was nice about it all... But full of it. No way in HELL was I speeding and he knew it.

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Old 05-18-2001, 11:36 PM   #16
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Does the original Subaru intake parts, before the factory air filter box have CARB and EO#?

If so, then you can't get away with GanzFlow. If not, then it may be possible.
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Old 05-19-2001, 01:12 PM   #17
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gypsymoth,

I don't believe stock parts (those originally sold as NEW) need to have numbers, the vehicle has a smog info sticker...

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Old 05-20-2001, 12:21 AM   #18
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The following list will help you determine if a part for your vehicle is a replacement part and legal for use on pollution. Check the manufacturer's catalogue to verify vehicle application and look for disclaimers, such as "Not legal for street use in California".

Air Cleaner
Most emission controlled vehicles will have an air cleaner that is a closed element type or thermostatically controlled. A replacement air cleaner must meet the same specifications as the original and connect to any emissions equipment that was attached to the original equipment air cleaner. Any replacement air cleaner elements may be used as long as they meet original factory specifications. Any air cleaner that does not meet the original factory specifications requires an Executive Order to be legal for street use.

That is here: <a href="http://www.arb.ca.gov/msprog/aftermkt/replace.htm">http://www.arb.ca.gov/msprog/aftermkt/replace.htm</a>

I'm still looking...
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