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Old 01-14-2003, 01:46 PM   #1
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i have done about 10 auto-x events, and I am interested in some coilovers for my '02 wrx sedan. I have ridden on some Zero2R set to full stiff, and they felt pretty good...but that is about the extent of my experience. So if any of you more experienced guys/gals have a little input, i would appreciate it. Basically wondering...

1) Thoughts on JIC FLT – A2: nice price, but i have heard about strange oscillating on street. and 8 / 6 springs seem like overkill for auto-x.

2) Thoughts on Cusco Zero2R: like the rear adjustability…what I am leaning towards, heard nothing but good things.

3) Opinions on spring rates for an auto-x / daily driver...I just want to get a sense of what most people are using and how rough it is on the road.

I already have a rear sway bar / rotas and azenis sports.
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Old 01-14-2003, 01:58 PM   #2
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1) haven't had first hand experience with them (yet), but was very close to buying them for Nationals last year. I know a few people that have them and absolutley love them at the track. very high quality even though they don't have Cusco's price tag.

2) pricey. The Cobb Conebasher originally had a set of these on and they didn't like how the car felt and took them off. once again i have no firsthand experience, but not a lot of AutoX regulars I know of use them.

3)spring rates can be a case by case thing. I run Koni SA's with MRT 30mm springs and Cusco front camber plates. The info I dug up on the rates were basically the same as the STi's ~200 lbs. f, ~185 lbs. r. Not too much stiffer than stock. If it were up to me, I'd conisder something in the 230-240 range front and 220-230 rear. Realize though that it's for my current setup. Coilovers may be MUCH stiffer.
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Old 01-14-2003, 02:22 PM   #3
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Hey Kevin, It's been a while since we talked.

I know I've told you before about the Cusco Zero-2R's as I've heard alot of good reviews of them, and have driven on them myself. My friend Dan has them and loves them too.

With that said, I chose to go with the Tein RA's. When I sat down and thought about it long and hard, I put ease of servicing above all else. With Tein now having a US distribution center, it is much easier to get them serviced if something goes wrong. I was afraid to go with Cusco and then have something go wrong, and wait, and wait, and wait.

I chose some custom spring rates for my setup and I am waiting on them to come in now. I'll let you know how they work out. 7F/6R

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Old 01-14-2003, 02:49 PM   #4
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I have Tein RAs with the default spring rate of 8k/6k. I love them. A little stiff for everyday driving, but lovely for performance driving. On the street I run 16 clicks from full hard. The car is a lot easier to drive fast in an AutoX. I went from DS to STX (R-compound with Koni struts to Azenis with the RAs) and I found I was much faster.
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Old 01-14-2003, 02:51 PM   #5
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Thumbs up Good point...

...I had not thought of the servicing aspect. I guess I will take a closer look at the Teins, see what I can learn. How comfortable are the Tien Ra's with 7 / 6 spring rates? I am all about performance, but I dont want to pee blood.

Corey - Are you STS ready yet?

Thanks for the response guys...
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Old 01-14-2003, 03:53 PM   #6
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I think my RAs are comfy. You are welcome to come for a ride at the next philly event.
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Old 01-14-2003, 04:38 PM   #7
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I didnt know you ran RAs...what spring rates have you got? and thanks for the offer, i will take you up on that.

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Old 01-14-2003, 06:19 PM   #8
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You couls also try the Tein HAs. They come with the 7,6 springrates and are valved a tad softer. I like that better myself.

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Old 01-15-2003, 09:17 AM   #9
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Would an average auto-x driver be limited by the HAs, since they are a little more conservative (street orientated)? I am not looking at Nationals ,but I want to make sure that my suspension is adequate as my skills progress. I do not want to keep making major changes if I can help it....Thanks guys.

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Old 01-15-2003, 09:24 AM   #10
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Would an average auto-x driver be limited by the HAs,
Not even CLOSE. I consider myself and kiko both national championship contenders next year (among others) and we are both on the HAs.

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Old 01-15-2003, 10:17 AM   #11
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Mine are 8/6. The beauty of the RAs is the damping. Its like butter, butter with 8kg springs, not like butter with 3 kg springs, but butter. When it is cold outside, it is like really cold butter. I have yet to run on them, but they are far more comfortable than my old suspension with 225lbs/in springs on the road. Look for #7 SM this Saturday and as always pray for snow!
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Old 01-15-2003, 01:47 PM   #12
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I like the sounds of the HAs, but arent they being phased out for the SS type? Any truth to the oxidation problem I have read about?

Tom - Are you on 7F/6R?

Bill - I will track you down if i am there sat.

thanks guys. kev.
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Old 01-15-2003, 01:52 PM   #13
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Mine have a little surface rust on them

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Nope, I'm higher
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Old 01-15-2003, 02:43 PM   #14
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Kevin,

The 7F/6R spring rates are just what I ordered as an experiment. I also got some 8's for the front... I haven't run on anything yet, so don't just take those rates as the golden setup. Especially since I run an RS, not a WRX. I imagine that Tom has a pretty good setup on his car...and they are stiffer it seems.

Once I get a chance to put them on and run them a few times, I might adjust them. The springs are only about $60 a pair so you can afford to play around a little.

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Old 01-15-2003, 09:40 PM   #15
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If you can afford them, go for DMS 50's Street length. you won't regret it....

Even with the problematic service, they are well worth the money.
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Old 01-15-2003, 09:58 PM   #16
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If you can afford them, go for DMS 50's Street length. you won't regret it....

Even with the problematic service, they are well worth the money.
Chris, you should add "if you don't have a wagon!"

I'd love to run DMS 50's, but the wheel wells on wagons are so tight (not having the sedan's fender flares) that those big ole 50's make it pretty near impossible to run wide 225's without rubbing somewhere.

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Old 01-15-2003, 10:07 PM   #17
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I disagree. You have to make sure that you have the correct rim offset 48mm at a minimum, 45mm would work better, even for me with my 235/40/17

I have run a 225/50/16 on the stock rims with no problems or rubbing. A friend of mine ran the same tire on the stock rims on his wagon with no rubbing issues. I think he was on a stock suspension however.
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Old 01-16-2003, 12:03 AM   #18
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I disagree. You have to make sure that you have the correct rim offset 48mm at a minimum, 45mm would work better, even for me with my 235/40/17

I have run a 225/50/16 on the stock rims with no problems or rubbing. A friend of mine ran the same tire on the stock rims on his wagon with no rubbing issues. I think he was on a stock suspension however.
What rims are you using now with the 235s and no rubbing? I have 50s and I'm looking at run some 245/45/16 tires this year on 45 offset rims. I was thinking I may have to use spacers and roll the fenders to make them fit with the 50s. I'm using the rally length ones though so the car is a bit higher.

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I disagree. You have to make sure that you have the correct rim offset 48mm at a minimum, 45mm would work better, even for me with my 235/40/17

I have run a 225/50/16 on the stock rims with no problems or rubbing. A friend of mine ran the same tire on the stock rims on his wagon with no rubbing issues. I think he was on a stock suspension however.
Chris,

I agree clearance isn't that much of an issue with sedans. However, wagons are a bit trickier. I did a test fitting and some measurements to see if I could get 225/45-17 Falkens or KD's to fit with DMS 50's. The problem is, there just isn't much space to work with. You offset too far out - you run into the fenders. You offset too far in - you run into the 50's.

At stock ride height, this isn't so much of an issue, but stock ride height+AutoX=way too much body roll!

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(waiting for Subaru to put stock fender flares on the wagon...)
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Old 01-16-2003, 10:19 AM   #20
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ok, so you have higher spring rates...but your valving is still factory right? And, do you have any thoughts on TEIN's support if they are replacing this line? Still able to rebuild?

Cory
@ $60 bucks a set, i like the idea of trying different springs to get it right.

I think i will get the HAs depending on what TEIN has to say about supporting these in the US...So who has got the best prices? Thanks for the information guys, there is nothing like experience.

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Old 01-16-2003, 10:40 AM   #21
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this thread is a god-send, I was going to start one here myself. More questions...do the RA's have the capabitlity to adjust height without affecting suspension travel? there seems to be some confusion on this..

and there is a good deal going on right here, right now...
Tein Deals

also with the recent problems I've seen over in the suspension forums I'm staying away from the DMS 50's at least for now. Tein seems like a very good option for me (I'm in almost the exact same position as rockt104.

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this thread is a god-send, I was going to start one here myself. More questions...do the RA's have the capabitlity to adjust height without affecting suspension travel? there seems to be some confusion on this..

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No, the travel is affected when you adjust the spring perch.

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Old 01-22-2003, 01:14 PM   #23
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My setup, and the best IMO of any WRX i have riden in or drove at an AutoX.

I have Koni Adjustable inserts with Ground Control Coilovers. It is a fully adjustable suspension set up for right at $1000. I got 600lb/in front and 550lb/in rear springs. They are hella stiff but not that bad for my daily drive which is about 100 miles a day commute.

It is awesome on the road, and absolutely tears up the track, with out the high prices of the big named coilovers.

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EDIT - I run STX in SCCA autocrosses as well.
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Yup, thats an good suspension setup, but the spring rates are too high for me. Also the Konis don't allow for compression dampening, unless they are rebuilt and IMHO they are too soft to handle 600lb springs. Im surprised you dont bounce all over the place with that setup, but hey if it works..........

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