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Old 01-15-2003, 01:38 AM   #1
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Default Perrin Sway Bars = Progress Sway Bars?

just looking on Options Auto Salon i noticed the similarities - the progress ones are a pale baby blue though and perrin are black. the ends look exactly alike .. are they the same, anyone know? I have the Perrin bars (not installed yet, maybe this weekend ..) and the rear brackets were not black as shown on the perrin web site .. is this how the product shipped to other people ?

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Old 01-15-2003, 12:38 PM   #2
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I'll find out tonight and let you know tomorrow.
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Old 01-16-2003, 04:45 PM   #3
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Any word on the findings?
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Old 01-16-2003, 06:17 PM   #4
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They look the same to me. For the record, my bar is black and the brackets are silver.
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Old 01-16-2003, 06:22 PM   #5
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yup same here - Perrin bars, black coating on bars, silver zinc coated HD mount bracket.

perrin website pics of brackets is not the production version.

maybe tonight i will put the bars in if its not too cold.
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Old 01-16-2003, 06:30 PM   #6
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Yes, the similarities look more than accidental. I had noticed that new adjustable front swaybars became available from them at almost the same time:
new Progress swaybar (posted by Oakos on 1/7)
new Perrin swaybar (posted by Nino on 1/9)
There's nothing wrong with this, it seems to be quite common that the same product is sold under different labels. Just nice to know. Good observation, ronaldwrx! Even though it doesn't matter much, I'm still curious which one is the "original" and which one is relabeled.
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Old 01-16-2003, 06:32 PM   #7
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also - on the Teagues site it shows the progress bars in black .. i guess it doesnt really matter who makes the bar as long as it works well. i havent seen lots of comments ..

http://home.att.net/~teaguesauto/suspensi.htm
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Old 01-16-2003, 11:17 PM   #8
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Well, unless someone is wrong, they can't be the same...
Oakos claims the Progress front bar is adjustable from 22 - 23 mm (46%-75% stiffer). The Perrin website just indicates 22 mm adjustable, but Nino just posted saying that it's 20 - 22 mm.

I'm curious because the Whiteline adj. front is still off the market (or is it? I'll have to fire off some e-mail)

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Old 01-17-2003, 02:21 AM   #9
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Nino said the perrin bars were 20/22 mm but i found it kinda strange since the stock bar is 20mm
so i emailed perrin and they said it was 22/24 mm which makes more sense to me
just so u guys know
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Old 01-17-2003, 07:54 AM   #10
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Perrin Says:

Regarding Rear:
ALTHOUGH SIZE IS INCREASED FROM 17MM TO 22MM (7/8"), PERRIN HAS ADDED THE FLEXIBILITY OF CHANGING THE BARS LEVERAGE WITH 3 DIFFERENT ENDLINK ATTACHMENT POINTS . THIS ALLOWS THE END USER TO CUSTOM TAILOR THE WAY HIS OR HER CAR HANDLES.

Regarding Front:
ALTHOUGH SIZE IS INCREASED FROM 17MM TO 22MM (7/8"), PERRIN HAS ADDED THE FLEXIBILITY OF CHANGING THE BARS LEVERAGE WITH ADJUSTABLE ENDS. THIS ALLOWS THE CUSTOMER TO CUSTOM TAILOR THE WAY HIS OR HER CAR HANDLES.
http://perrinperformance.com/product...s/swaybars.htm


The Teagues Site Says:

Progress Technology Rear Sway kit for WRX. Adjustable 22-23-24mm. Includes heavy duty mount kit and poly bushings.

Progress Technology Front Sway Bar kit for WRX. Adjustable 22-23mm. Includes poly bushings.
http://home.att.net/~teaguesauto/suspensi.htm

22mm bar size is also listed on http://www.progressauto.com

Sounds like the same thing to me.. not that it matters too much, Progress is a very well respected high quality made in USA parts company.
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Old 01-17-2003, 08:59 AM   #11
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I'm curious because the Whiteline adj. front is still off the market (or is it? I'll have to fire off some e-mail)

-- Gary
The Whiteline adjustable front swaybars (MY02 etc.) are off the market indefinitely. This is per an email from Whiteline two weeks ago.
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Old 01-21-2003, 03:29 PM   #12
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put in my perrin rear sway bar and end links .. went in very easily, no problems .. so far feels nice through curves but havent had a chance to push it much .. probably will put on front in a week or so ..

anyone else with the perrin endlinks notice some of the bushings dont move all that well even if you work at them and get them to move they dont loosen up?
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Old 01-21-2003, 06:13 PM   #13
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Did someone say my name??

Heres the deal guys..

As with any new product. Information can be very limited and I can only state what i am told.

The Perrin and progress bars are very similar.Jeff Perrin did all the design, research and development of the bars and the ciompany that is making them I am guessing gets to use some of the technology as a favor.Thus you see a Progress version.

I asked Perrin the same question when I saw the Progress versions and was told that although they could use a similar design, They were contractually bound to make the bars different.its obvious from the pics that they do not look different, But i haven't bought a progress bar to look at in person.

I choose to sell the Perrin version because I know they will ave them when I need them, I know if I have a problem they will answer the phone, and they are willing to speak direct to a consumer if nessesary to make sure they are 100% satisfied. That to me is the way I like to see buisiness done on a manufacturers side.

On the size thing, Perrin chooses not to make a determination as to a size adjustbility.they do not think its fair to name each as a different size.Both bars are 22mm in diameter.They do have adjutments.The front I was told can be adjusted to be slightly softer than the 22mm which is the stiffer setting.The rear is considered 22mm in the center setting and can be made stiffer or softer by moving where the link mounts.

I can only assume the adjustments are what I have said based on a comparison to other bars on the market. So I may be wrong on some staements.

I can say that as with most new parts, IO itch to try them out myself so i am putting these bars on my car to see how they compare to what others I have had were, Based on how the Rear bar mounts I exopect it to be more effective.

Hope this helps.
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Old 01-22-2003, 02:27 AM   #14
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I also talked to Jeff at Perrin via e-mail and he said the rear bar is a 22mm but can be made more or less progressive by using the different positions on the bar. The center being 22mm and the the others more like 20mm and 24mm, but they just say more or less progressive.

I did the install a few weeks back and only had trouble with the passengers side mounting bracket. I was able to finish but it took longer than the drivers side. Also had to drop my muffler down to get that giant bar in there...much larger than the stock wagon bar. I have mine set to the least progressive position (20mm approx.).

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Old 01-22-2003, 08:02 AM   #15
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the perrin bar feels great so far no problems or complaints. as lowball said, the passenger side isnt as simple as the driver side bracket install - there are some hoses in the way and its a bit more of a tight working space - but nothing major. the brackets size is much taller than stock, so the geometry of the bar is different. i took some pics comparing the hardware and will post those later today probably.

has anyone installed a perrin front? i may do mine next weekend. does anyone know if it is more difficult than the rear?
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Old 01-22-2003, 05:43 PM   #16
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I've been told that the front bar install requires you to drop the subframe. Others have said they just removed the wheels and fished the bar in.

Oh, just so people don't go do stuff they don't have to, I didn't have to move the muffler to install the rear bar. I just fished the bar around and got it in.
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I've been told that the front bar install requires you to drop the subframe. Others have said they just removed the wheels and fished the bar in.

Oh, just so people don't go do stuff they don't have to, I didn't have to move the muffler to install the rear bar. I just fished the bar around and got it in.
That may be the case but for me it was a more of a pain to try and fish it around and get the bar all scrached up then just dropping down the rear of the muffler...also it may be different with an aftermarket muffler.
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Old 01-22-2003, 10:06 PM   #18
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i have a stock muffler on sedan - the perrin rear bar was pretty easy for me to fish in around the muffler etc - having someone helping with guidance was also good. years of tetris playing pays off.

the instructions do make the front install seem like a fair amount of more work, but not such a big deal ..
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Mine was a bit of a pain with the Prodrive muffler, I found you could slide it through from the drivers side to the passengers side. The only problem I currently have is what sounds to be a dry bushing on the passengers side, it creaks and groans all the time. I checked all the bolts and nothing is loose, so I can only assume it needs more grease.

I am going to relube it this weekend, see if it improves the situation. I also did the Perrin endlinks too - and set to the middle stiffness. No complaints at all, other than the little tube of grease you get in the install kit is wayyyyy too small

RonaldWRX - I noticed the endlinks have loosened quite considerably - the only thing that bothers me is that they don't sit symmetrical as the spherical bearing allows them to move indepedently. This results in a clunk sometimes as they readjust after going through a tight corner. Not sure whether that can be alleviated.

All in all - nice sway bar, nice endlinks, yay Perrin etc.

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Old 01-24-2003, 11:52 AM   #20
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i will have to get under the car today and see if it has loosened itself at all in a week and check out to see how its looking .. i will take some pics.
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So what diameter, "real diameter", is the progress bar?
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Old 02-09-2003, 08:45 PM   #22
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Here is another question. since the rear bar is designed for the WRX but "will" fit the GC8, would I get better performance from a bar that was specifically designed for my car?
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Here is another question. since the rear bar is designed for the WRX but "will" fit the GC8, would I get better performance from a bar that was specifically designed for my car?
The shape of all the bars is the same.So one that is for the GC8 will not be different than one for the GDA when it comes to the rear.

I put the perrin on my RS. A little tighter due to the slimer track but still very nice. At the central setting the car feels very nice.

The Perin bar is wider overall compared to a stock sway bar.
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Old 02-12-2003, 03:05 PM   #24
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Here's a question on the front bar...

Which is the softer setting? The one right at the end of the bar, or the one further out on the "hook part"?

I can't remember which I used, but I remember the directions saying something that sounded wrong, so I used the opposite.

Either way, the bars are excellent. The front is a bit of a pain though... I did drop the subframe. I tried my damnedest to snake it out but she wouldn't come....

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Which is the softer setting? The one right at the end of the bar, or the one further out on the "hook part"?
The one further out should be softer.
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