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Old 01-15-2003, 10:57 AM   #1
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Default Goodyear F1: only AA Traction Ultra High Performance Tire? What about Falken 451?

I have a set of Falken 451s that I purchased last May. The are 205/55/16 ZR rated with Traction AA, Temp A and Treadwear 280.

The Falkens I have, have that imprinted on the side.

On every site I have found them on they are listed as Ultra-High Performance tires.

So... The Goodyear F1 claims to be the only government recognized traction AA ultra-high performance tire.

Now the government is the one who give out the ratings,... so if the tires are rated, the DOT did it.

So I go back and check the Falken 451s out on some sites again, cause hey, mine are double AA, right?

Well, not anymore. According to Victoria Tire and Discount Tire Direct (Tirerack doesnt carry Falkens) they are now only rated Traction A.

BUT.... I go to the DOTs website, and they still have the 451s rated AA... so whats the deal?

Anyone know?

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Old 01-15-2003, 03:07 PM   #2
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Nope,,,BFG T/A KDW,,Treadwear 300,Traction AA Temp A
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Old 01-15-2003, 03:18 PM   #3
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Toyo T1-S too.
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Old 01-15-2003, 05:34 PM   #4
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Default Re: Goodyear F1: only AA Traction Ultra High Performance Tire? What about Falken 451?

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So... The Goodyear F1 claims to be the only government recognized traction AA ultra-high performance tire.
Yeah, I'm not sure what's going on here because there are a lot of tire models that carry the Traction AA designation. Kumho ECSTA 712 and MX, Yokohoma ES100, Bridgestone SP-03, Firestone Firehawk SZ50, Michelin Pilot Sports . . . and the ones that these other guys had mentioned to name a few. I don't know how Goodyear could make that claim.

(Is it obvious that someone's been spending a few Winter nights comparing tires for the Spring)
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The government actually does very little of the traction/temperature/treadwear grading. They publish a set of guidelines and manufacturers are left to their own devices as to how they follow them (or not) so I am led to understand. "A" traction rating is the best dry rating. "AA" was invented as a way to highlight wet braking traction. "AA" tires are therefore not necessarily better than "A" tires in terms of traction, just in terms of wet traction. That being said, the 451 is an absolutely amazing tire for the price- as grippy as the Azenis' that I have driven on in the dry, and worlds apart in terms of wet performance from them. The 502 was a better tire than both dry IMHO, but they don't make it anymore . In the wet, I'd rather have the 451's.


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Old 01-16-2003, 08:13 AM   #6
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Perhaps this is one of those lessons in semantics. I mean who determines whats ultra-high performance or max performance... or even just high performance? If the rating is left up to the manufacturer... I imagine the type is left up to them too.

Something I did notice however... the 451s I am seeing on these websites rated as Traction A, have one additional grove compared to my 451s graded AA.... enough tread gone to lower the rating perhaps? eh... if the AA is for wet, then more grooves should be better, no?

Heres a link to DOTs website with most major tires and brands and the ratings each have gotten... notice theres four RE 92s, all of which given different ratings....

http://www.nhtsa.dot.gov/cars/testing/UTQG/DOT UTQG Testing

DOT Quote for Traction:

"TRACTION - AA, A, B AND C:
The traction grades from highest to lowest are AA, A, B and C and they represent the tire's ability to stop on wet pavement as measured under controlled conditions on specified government test surfaces of asphalt and concrete. A tire marked C may have poor traction performance.

WARNING:
The traction grade assigned to this tire is based on braking
(straight ahead) traction tests and does not include
cornering (turning) traction."

As for looking for a good tire... arent we always? In the end no matter how fast you are whether it be road racing, street racing, drag racing or just getting jiggy with it on the way home..... the weak link will be the tires... well other than the tranny, well and the driver too...

I would also like to say.... I love my 451s... as North Ursalia said, its an amazing tire for the price...

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The small grooves that run almost parallel to the two main center grooves are new to the 451... and now it is a traction A tire, where it used to be traction AA

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