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Old 02-19-2001, 07:30 AM   #1
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Post hood scoops

There is one large scoop, and two smaller grilles on the hood. The two smaller grilles are sealed on the underside of the hood and are for appearance only. According to a Subaru salesman I spoke with while having my car serviced, the larger scoop was purely ornamental on early models, but now allows the car to use regular gas instead of higher octanes by allowing a small amount of outside air into the underhood area through the scoop. Any comments?

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Old 02-19-2001, 08:02 AM   #2
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What was that service guy smoking? The scoop you're talking about has nothing to do with what kind of gas you need to use. I took the blocking plate off of the scoop and the right hand side vent to allow cool air in and hot air out, respectively. That just helps in keeping the air under the hood a little cooler. None of that air actually gets inside the engine and has aboslutely zero to do with what kind of gas I use. I've been using 87 octane in the car since I've owned it; the gas recommended by the dealer and the owner's manual.

Did you hear this stuff from a Subaru service tech? Frankly, I'm dumbfounded that anyone would tell you this because it has no basis.
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Old 02-19-2001, 08:41 AM   #3
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Don`t you just love some salesmen? They will say the first thing that pops into their head, right or wrong. Luckily not all are clueless.
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Old 02-19-2001, 09:15 AM   #4
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Tell me about it. I managed a radio shack for 4 years in college and I had one worthless employee that made up stuff left and right. I found out one day he had been bragging about how he knew far more than I did about computers so I spent a few days asking his advice about some new computer features. He swore up and down he knew all about these:

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Old 02-19-2001, 10:41 AM   #5
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Hey Piper!

That reminds me of this guy some friends of mine were working with that said he was in the middle of importing from Japan, a twin turbo VR6 eng. for his VW (he gave some insain HP # that it had). They sounded all seriouse and asked him if he was importing that through F.O.S. or D.K.S. (Full Of S**t and Don't Know S**t and he said he couldn't remember, but he thought it was D.K.S. !!!!

Some people make it too easy!!
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Old 02-19-2001, 10:42 AM   #6
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The comments received so far are similar to my thoughts when the saleman explained the reason for the scoops to me. This fellow works at the local Subaru dealer in town, and I took my car there to have a headlight replaced under warranty. He said he learned about the scoop bringing in fresh air while attending a seminar on Subaru's, presumably a seminar sponsored by Subaru. Sales people may tend to just tell you what you want to hear, as I was discussing the car's good and bad features and mentioned the scoops as being cosmetic.

At the time,I wasn't sure he was totally off-base because there is a small opening in the blank-off plate in the scoop; about the size of a business card. This small hole does bring air into the engine compartment, and maybe it could let out hot air if you were driving slow enough.

Thanks for the comments.
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Old 02-19-2001, 10:52 AM   #7
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<FONT face="Comic Sans MS">Your dealer can tell you the small hood vents don't work, but I don't believe him...

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That's my favorite pic of this year... it's my car, covered in ice after an hour long drive home. The only place the ice melted is behind the vents- right where the hot air escaping from the engine bay had a chance to melt it.

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Old 02-19-2001, 12:36 PM   #8
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Just for the heck of it I test drove a Daiwoo a while back. The demo car had a nasty pull to the right.

Salesman's quote "Yep, the car is built with a 9% pull to the right so if you fall asleep at the wheel the car will go off the road to the right rather than into oncoming traffic....."

And we're impressed with Subaru engineers!
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Old 02-19-2001, 12:42 PM   #9
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LMAO
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Old 02-19-2001, 02:01 PM   #10
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Hey North Ursalia, when I first saw that picture of the ice on your car, I went out the next day and bought some faucet washers and spaced my vents. I still need to go get longer bolts, so I can space it even more, but that pic is worth a 1000 posts. A 9% pull too the right? Tha has got to be the DUMBEST thing I have ever heard out of a salesmans mouth! Of course, he was selling Daewoos....
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Old 02-19-2001, 03:00 PM   #11
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555wagon,

I wonder if Daiwoo's in Korea are built with a 9% pull to the right. If so, Korean drivers are as good as dead. Cars in Korea do drive opposite the way we do here, right?

Man, that guy is good. He came up with that, that quick?
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Old 02-19-2001, 04:26 PM   #12
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Has anyone considered that maybe the salesman knew half of what he was talking about? He is probably just regurgitating data... and left some out. Think about it. If you have a factory turbo'd impreza, that hood scoop DOES allow the use of lower octane fuel!! In most cases, that lower octane is 93 (instead of AVGAS), but a lower requirement none the less. This guy probably was told the reason for the intercooler, but lost a little of the technical stuff because he wasn't a "car-guy". Give him some credit....

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Old 02-19-2001, 05:24 PM   #13
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Nope cars in korea drive on the right hand side, the same as over here, so he's sorta right in saying that, but what i don't get is, say you're on the highway in the fast lane (lane all the way to the left) and you dose off, what then? LOL that's such a sad way to try to make a sale, or try to give the car some kind of state of the art, quick thinking idea.
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Old 02-19-2001, 07:53 PM   #14
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Well, jeez I must be in trouble because all of the +'00 Legacys do not have a scoop. So therefore I/we should be using 104 octane, right? Scoop does not help/hurt detonation, that is a by product of compresion ratio and the heat from the turbo. Look under a JPM turbo-ed hood, including Legacy B4, and you see a big 'ol intercooler. The name of the game in induction systems is cooler air is better air, more dense, means you get more oxygen into your cylinders. Dense sales people are another matter.
Just had one today tell me that the U.S. WRX '02 is based on the Japanese WRX from 1993??? Go figure, and all this time I thought that it had a new platform that was way stiffer and weighed a couple of hundred pounds more! this board has more information than most of SOA salesreps could ever hope to learn.
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Old 02-20-2001, 01:11 AM   #15
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The purpose of the two little holes in the vent plates is not to allow hot or cool air to pass. It's to drain water and debris that collects in the vent itself. I removed the passenger's side plate and today while changing the oil I noticed a pile of road sand sitting at the end of my horns. Makes me wonder what my air filter looks like (big ol' pipe sucking air from that vent).
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Old 02-20-2001, 05:51 AM   #16
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tahrndt,

You are missing my point. I am saying that someone probably explained to this salesman that the hood scoop is there to feed air to an intercooler (on turbo'd models, of course), and the intercooler does, in fact, allow the use of lower octane fuels in turbo'd cars. Yes, he didn't know what he was talking about. But.... I would think that he was trying to relay information that he didnt truely understand.... Do you catch my drift?

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Old 02-20-2001, 08:12 AM   #17
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I hear you LUME a misenterpertastion of words did i spell that right, oh what ever you know what i mean!
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Old 02-20-2001, 09:40 AM   #18
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Old 02-20-2001, 04:35 PM   #19
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ImprezedRS,
There is a row of icons above the box where you type your message. The icon on the far right, "ABC with a check mark", is the SPELL CHECKER. So you don't have to guess if you don't want to. But, with "misenterpertastion" there are no choices because it is too far off the correct spelling. Trying "misinterpertation", again mispelled, gives you several choices including the correct one. Hope this is helpful.
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Old 02-20-2001, 09:54 PM   #20
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I was at the LA auto show and sitting in the driver's seat in the new WRX when a guy sat in the passenger seat.. he started touching everything (like feeling it up!) and commented "it's not German", I replied "the engine is a flat four, ever heard of Porsche?"
he replied "yeah but it's got no power, I just ordered a new Limited Production 8 cylinder (V) VW vr6! with get this... all wheel drive!
the words he said just contradicted each other (V8 vr6? what the F*^%) and he also had some bogus 1/4 mile and horsepower numbers that I won't even bother with!
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