Get those Champion plugs OUT!!!!!

subarumantoo · 03-15-2001, 11:20 AM

I had no idea that changing my spark plugs would make that much difference. I have always known that Champion spark plugs were for lawn mowers only, but I didn't know how right I was! I put a new set of NGK spark plugs in my 2000 RS and it made a noticable difference in throttle response, idle quality, and power! Do it and you will agree!

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RallyGuy2k · 03-15-2001, 11:50 AM

I agree....as of yesterday I had 27k on the origional Champions....ugh...
I put in Bosch Platinums (not +4s) and it's UNreal. Torque is way up (or back up) and it runs much smoother...
Tre'

Dom · 03-15-2001, 11:52 AM

What are the best plugs to run in a stock
00.

subarurabbit · 03-15-2001, 11:55 AM

Should I pull my Autolite Platinums (came used with the car) and go back to NGK copper?

Roger

RallyGuy2k · 03-15-2001, 01:17 PM

Exactly...at least now they'll last alot longer than the Champion Coppers...
Still can't believe they did that to us...hell I though I had platinums like the '98s and '99s...

The Champions looked fairly good although having 27k.
I stuck the Bosch Platinums in for $1.99 a plug...not bad...
When I get plug wires I'll probably put in Denzo Iridiums.
Tre'

jlyttle · 03-15-2001, 02:01 PM

How much trouble is it to change the plugs on this car? Are they easy to get to?
The last time I did my own plugs was on a 400CID Pontiac engine and everything was right there in front of you. The only mistake I made was to waste money on 8 Splitfires...ugh waste of $40, that was like 10 years ago.

Also, is there a compelling reason for me to spend good money on expensive plugs rather than NGK's or Bosch Platinum's for like $2 each?

RallyGuy2k · 03-15-2001, 02:45 PM

I's easy to change plugs....
Ya gotta take the intake silencer tubing off (you should do that anyway for performance reasons) and also take off the wiper fluid tank (two screws) and that'll get you in there fine. 6" extension on your plug socket and your on your way.
Hope this helps...
Tre'

Dirt Man · 03-15-2001, 06:23 PM

I have not donr it yet but the NGK's are sitting in my back seat, waiting to be installed! Dirt Cheap price, about $1.50 a plug.

jlyttle · 03-15-2001, 06:59 PM

Intake silencer...what intake silencer?
We don't need no stinking intake silencer!
Hehe, Ganzflow Ver. 5!

TSDScooby · 03-15-2001, 07:15 PM

Just to be specific. Do you have the NGK part # for those plugs?

ImprezedRS · 03-16-2001, 12:03 AM

I've been using the NGK Copper and replace them about ever 5,000 miles since there so cheap.

subarumantoo · 03-16-2001, 12:08 AM

Every car runs best with NGK plugs except for Toyota's, they need Nippondenso plugs.

DigDug · 03-16-2001, 12:11 AM

You'll really be happiest with the NGK platinums from the dealer. I've said it at least a dozen times, and I still believe it. There's also something about not having to change your plugs for a year at a time...

scoobiejosh · 03-16-2001, 12:11 AM

I put in the Bosch Platinum (not+4) as well. They feel pretty nice. They were a small improvement, since my plugs only had 7k miles on them. A lot of the diffrence you felt probibaly is from getting NEW plugs in your car.

Josh

Julian · 03-16-2001, 12:23 AM

I'm a firm believer in NGKs, however when I swapped my Champions for NGKs, I noticed no difference. I didn't expect one either, however, others here seem to post noticable gains. If you're coming from 27,000 Champion plugs, yes, but then you would have noticed it with new Champions as well.

Julian

V6 · 03-16-2001, 03:12 AM

They are printed on the owner's manual already.

WRC666 · 03-16-2001, 04:47 AM

Hmm, so changing plugs at 30k should be noticable? I just checked mine and they are nicely lightbrown-grayish, perfect. The gap looked a little bit too large.
But at 1.5 per plug it should be worth trying...
=^)
666

RallyGuy2k · 03-16-2001, 06:06 AM

WRC...Yeah...if you've got a 2000 or 2001 they put the Champion copper plugs in there...last about 15k...'98 - '99s have NGK Platinums which last quite a bit longer. Either way you should change'em. I would have sooner if I had remembered...

Tre'

DigDug · 03-16-2001, 08:07 AM

Actually, my 1999 2.5RS came with Champion platinum plugs. Not NGKs. I had to buy the NGK platinums separately - not all 99's got NGK's...

Part number on the NGK platinums (that I use anyways) is PFR-5B11.

twong · 03-16-2001, 08:26 AM

I maybe off topic, but oh well here it goes:

Anyone know if we're suppose to go with a hotter or colder plug when we turn up the boost on wrx? Whats the difference between a regular plug and the hotter/colder ones?

Thanks

sspriest · 03-16-2001, 04:25 PM

Went to the dealer to check out the NGKs from them was told that the plugs they had were from Subaru. I asked who made them and he did not know, Man aren't the people supose to know these things. He also told me that no Subaru comes with Champion plugs from the factory, well atleast until the book told him different, OOPS. Well needless to say i bought a set Of NGKS from the Auto store instead. Today i lost a little respect for the Scooby Dealer

I have to go there tomorrow to get the oil changed, at least the Techs know what they are doing to my baby.
Peace
Shawn

Sean McElderry · 03-16-2001, 04:27 PM

FWIW, the Indy car engine I inspected used Champion plugs. Granted, they have a MUCH better ignition than a stock RS, but still, don't discount the plugs too much

Sean

03-15-2001, 11:20 AM	#1
subarumantoo Scooby Specialist Member#: 3257 Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Houston, TX Vehicle: 2000 ImprezaRS Blue Ridge Pearl	Get those Champion plugs OUT!!!!! I had no idea that changing my spark plugs would make that much difference. I have always known that Champion spark plugs were for lawn mowers only, but I didn't know how right I was! I put a new set of NGK spark plugs in my 2000 RS and it made a noticable difference in throttle response, idle quality, and power! Do it and you will agree! * Registered users of the site do not see these ads.

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03-15-2001, 11:50 AM	#2
RallyGuy2k Scooby Specialist Member#: 1146 Join Date: Mar 2000 Chapter/Region: International Location: Houston/LA/NYC Vehicle: 3000	I agree....as of yesterday I had 27k on the origional Champions....ugh... I put in Bosch Platinums (not +4s) and it's UNreal. Torque is way up (or back up) and it runs much smoother... Tre'

03-15-2001, 11:52 AM	#3
Dom Scooby Newbie Member#: 3876 Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Brampton,Ontario,canada	What are the best plugs to run in a stock 00.

03-15-2001, 11:55 AM	#4
subarurabbit Scooby Guru Member#: 4083 Join Date: Feb 2001 Chapter/Region: NESIC Location: Reading, MA Vehicle: 2006 OBS SE regal blue	Should I pull my Autolite Platinums (came used with the car) and go back to NGK copper? Roger

03-15-2001, 01:17 PM	#5
RallyGuy2k Scooby Specialist Member#: 1146 Join Date: Mar 2000 Chapter/Region: International Location: Houston/LA/NYC Vehicle: 3000	Exactly...at least now they'll last alot longer than the Champion Coppers... Still can't believe they did that to us...hell I though I had platinums like the '98s and '99s... The Champions looked fairly good although having 27k. I stuck the Bosch Platinums in for $1.99 a plug...not bad... When I get plug wires I'll probably put in Denzo Iridiums. Tre'

03-15-2001, 02:01 PM	#6
jlyttle Scooby Specialist Member#: 2815 Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Hanover, MA, USA Vehicle: 2004 Forester XT 5sp Silver	How much trouble is it to change the plugs on this car? Are they easy to get to? The last time I did my own plugs was on a 400CID Pontiac engine and everything was right there in front of you. The only mistake I made was to waste money on 8 Splitfires...ugh waste of $40, that was like 10 years ago. Also, is there a compelling reason for me to spend good money on expensive plugs rather than NGK's or Bosch Platinum's for like $2 each?

03-15-2001, 02:45 PM	#7
RallyGuy2k Scooby Specialist Member#: 1146 Join Date: Mar 2000 Chapter/Region: International Location: Houston/LA/NYC Vehicle: 3000	I's easy to change plugs.... Ya gotta take the intake silencer tubing off (you should do that anyway for performance reasons) and also take off the wiper fluid tank (two screws) and that'll get you in there fine. 6" extension on your plug socket and your on your way. Hope this helps... Tre'

03-15-2001, 06:23 PM	#8
Dirt Man Scooby Specialist Member#: 176 Join Date: Aug 1999 Chapter/Region: South East Location: Tampa, Florida Vehicle: 2011 Subaru Forester Silver	I have not donr it yet but the NGK's are sitting in my back seat, waiting to be installed! Dirt Cheap price, about $1.50 a plug.

03-15-2001, 06:59 PM	#9
jlyttle Scooby Specialist Member#: 2815 Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Hanover, MA, USA Vehicle: 2004 Forester XT 5sp Silver	Intake silencer...what intake silencer? We don't need no stinking intake silencer! Hehe, Ganzflow Ver. 5!

03-15-2001, 07:15 PM	#10
TSDScooby Scooby Newbie Member#: 2856 Join Date: Nov 2000 Chapter/Region: NESIC Location: Boston MA, USA Vehicle: 2008 Outback XT Blue	Just to be specific. Do you have the NGK part # for those plugs?

03-16-2001, 12:03 AM	#11
ImprezedRS Scooby Specialist Member#: 2771 Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Charlotte, NC Vehicle: 2003 BMW Z4 Blue	I've been using the NGK Copper and replace them about ever 5,000 miles since there so cheap.

03-16-2001, 12:08 AM	#12
subarumantoo Scooby Specialist Member#: 3257 Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Houston, TX Vehicle: 2000 ImprezaRS Blue Ridge Pearl	Every car runs best with NGK plugs except for Toyota's, they need Nippondenso plugs.

03-16-2001, 12:11 AM	#13
DigDug Scooby Newbie Member#: 4077 Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Eastern US Vehicle: 1999 Impreza 2.5RS Aspen White	You'll really be happiest with the NGK platinums from the dealer. I've said it at least a dozen times, and I still believe it. There's also something about not having to change your plugs for a year at a time...

03-16-2001, 12:11 AM	#14
scoobiejosh Scooby Specialist Member#: 3139 Join Date: Dec 2000 Chapter/Region: RMIC Location: SLC Utah Vehicle: 2001 Dodge Pikumup & 08 Triumph Speed Triple	I put in the Bosch Platinum (not+4) as well. They feel pretty nice. They were a small improvement, since my plugs only had 7k miles on them. A lot of the diffrence you felt probibaly is from getting NEW plugs in your car. Josh

03-16-2001, 12:23 AM	#15
Julian Scooby Specialist Member#: 1182 Join Date: Mar 2000 Location: Ventura, CA Vehicle: MY00 RS BRP	I'm a firm believer in NGKs, however when I swapped my Champions for NGKs, I noticed no difference. I didn't expect one either, however, others here seem to post noticable gains. If you're coming from 27,000 Champion plugs, yes, but then you would have noticed it with new Champions as well. Julian

03-16-2001, 03:12 AM	#16
V6 Scooby Specialist Member#: 2703 Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Edmonton, AB Vehicle: Y2K GC8 Silver forever	They are printed on the owner's manual already.

03-16-2001, 04:47 AM	#17
WRC666 Scooby Newbie Member#: 2351 Join Date: Sep 2000	Hmm, so changing plugs at 30k should be noticable? I just checked mine and they are nicely lightbrown-grayish, perfect. The gap looked a little bit too large. But at 1.5 per plug it should be worth trying... =^) 666

03-16-2001, 06:06 AM	#18
RallyGuy2k Scooby Specialist Member#: 1146 Join Date: Mar 2000 Chapter/Region: International Location: Houston/LA/NYC Vehicle: 3000	WRC...Yeah...if you've got a 2000 or 2001 they put the Champion copper plugs in there...last about 15k...'98 - '99s have NGK Platinums which last quite a bit longer. Either way you should change'em. I would have sooner if I had remembered... Tre'

03-16-2001, 08:07 AM	#19
DigDug Scooby Newbie Member#: 4077 Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Eastern US Vehicle: 1999 Impreza 2.5RS Aspen White	Actually, my 1999 2.5RS came with Champion platinum plugs. Not NGKs. I had to buy the NGK platinums separately - not all 99's got NGK's... Part number on the NGK platinums (that I use anyways) is PFR-5B11.

03-16-2001, 08:26 AM	#20
twong Scooby Newbie Member#: 4686 Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Flushing, NY	I maybe off topic, but oh well here it goes: Anyone know if we're suppose to go with a hotter or colder plug when we turn up the boost on wrx? Whats the difference between a regular plug and the hotter/colder ones? Thanks

03-16-2001, 04:25 PM	#21
sspriest Scooby Specialist Member#: 3109 Join Date: Dec 2000 Chapter/Region: AKIC Location: Fairbanks AK Vehicle: 2000 2.5RS BRP 05 MINI Cooper Chili Red	Went to the dealer to check out the NGKs from them was told that the plugs they had were from Subaru. I asked who made them and he did not know, Man aren't the people supose to know these things. He also told me that no Subaru comes with Champion plugs from the factory, well atleast until the book told him different, OOPS. Well needless to say i bought a set Of NGKS from the Auto store instead. Today i lost a little respect for the Scooby Dealer I have to go there tomorrow to get the oil changed, at least the Techs know what they are doing to my baby. Peace Shawn

03-16-2001, 04:27 PM	#22
Sean McElderry Scooby Specialist Member#: 526 Join Date: Nov 1999 Location: Beaverton, OR, USA Vehicle: 1995 Supra Turbo Red	FWIW, the Indy car engine I inspected used Champion plugs. Granted, they have a MUCH better ignition than a stock RS, but still, don't discount the plugs too much Sean