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Old 04-29-2001, 02:31 PM   #1
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Post Down shift grinding? (kind of long)

On Friday night on the way back from my prom I had experienced a “problem” with my car and was wondering if anyone else has had similar trouble. My car only has 2200 miles on it. When I am coming to a stop i.e. downshifting, I downshift to 4th then 3rd then 2nd then I just push the clutch in and hold it there, coasting to a stop without engine braking only using the brakes. Meanwhile I am putting the shifter into 1st gear with the clutch fully depressed. During this shift into 1st gear, I sometimes hear or feel a grinding noise like I didn’t push the clutch in all the way, the same type you get occasionally when you shift into reverse. This happens also when I don’t use all the gears for engine braking, i.e. just going from 4th then depressing the clutch fully and placing the gearshift into 1st without engine braking. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
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Old 04-29-2001, 02:40 PM   #2
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Well the way the transmission is set up a lot of RS owners have difficulty getting the car into first until you are under 10Mph.. It just the way teh gears are cut, its the same reason reverse is such a pain in the arse sometimes.

Unless the car is actually a grinding "noise" I wouldn't worry too much.. If it does make a noise and feels weird, feel free to bring it to the local Subaru dealership.

Hope that helps.
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Old 04-29-2001, 02:47 PM   #3
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DON'T use first to slow down, ie. shift into first at speed... apparently subies don;t like it very much!
just use the brakes, that's what they're there for anyways...


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Old 04-29-2001, 03:00 PM   #4
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Jay,

A couple of things:

1. Subaru transmissions are notoriously tight when new. I'm 29 and been driving manual trasmissions since I was 14. I had trouble getting 1st gear until my car was well broken in ~10000 miles. You should never try to shift into first above 10 - 15 mph. The whirring noise you'll hear are the synchro's begging for mercy.

2. Make sure you use a light hand while trying to shift into first. Give the synchro's plenty of time to spin while the tranny is still tight. Forcing the shifter in to gear can cause your synchros and shift forks to wear. You can even bend the shifting forks if you're really brutal.

3. Here's how I got used to shifting into first:

Rolling to a stop: Stop sign or light. As your rolling up to the light or sign, clutch shift to neutral, give the throttle a blip and apply pressure to the shift lever until it slips into gear, coast to a stop using brakes or declutch and use the brakes and the engine to slow you down.

Taking off from a dead stop. I always sit at stop lights with the car in neutral and declutched. When the light is about to change, I clutch, shift into second then slide it into first. I actually still do this, it seems to go into first much easier.

Hope this helps.


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Old 04-29-2001, 06:01 PM   #5
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Thanks for the quick responses!
Just so you know, I don't use 1st gear to slow down, I just put the shifter into 1st with the clutch depressed and leave it there. Then after I come to a complete stop and the light changes to green, I start driving normally.
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Old 04-29-2001, 06:18 PM   #6
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Jay,
That's still bad. The 1st gear syncro is still trying to speed up the tranny to the speed you'd need to be at in order to use first gear even though you're not going to use it at that speed.

If you do a search on "shifting techniques" there are several great articles out there on proper shifting techniques that will not only improve your driving but also extend the life of your tranny.

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Old 04-29-2001, 08:05 PM   #7
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Jay,

I'm not quite sure you see what they are saying about 1st gear. Even though you went from 4th to 1st while cruising above 20mph for example, that is very very bad. If you keep that up your first gear will wear before your second gear is supposed too,lol Anyways, no matter if your foot is on the clutch, you still can't put it into first unless you are cruising at 10mph or less. I am very suprised you can even get it into first going above 20mph.

2 things to always consider:

-never go into reverse at all if moving slightly. wait till dead stop. you probably already know this.

-no matter if you are engaging first gear or not, never shift it into 1st if you are over 10mph.

If you are one to cruise through stopsigns, then just drop her to second. The rpms will get there.

Peace Out. Hope all this helps.
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Old 04-29-2001, 08:41 PM   #8
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Yeah, I taught my kid to drive my 2000 OBS with manual tranny and he kept getting in a hurry to put it in first with the clutch IN and rolling to a stop. I finally had to bang it into his head to wait till the car stops, then shift into first!
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Old 05-01-2001, 12:57 AM   #9
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The wheels are connected to the, front/rear diffs. The diffs are connected to the, center diff. The center diff's connected to the, counter-shaft....
Doesn't make a difference if the clutch is in; the tranny is still going to be turning.
Just wait till you get to around 10 (more like 5) mph and gently put pressure on the stick towards first gear. It'll just magically slide in like a hot knife through butter. Took me three days to logically figure out why first gear wouldn't go in.
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