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Old 03-13-2001, 02:01 PM   #26
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Old 03-13-2001, 07:34 PM   #27
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Do any of the torque chips work with a '99 auto? I remember the old Torque 1 not working with auto's. I've been out of the loop for a while.

I hope it has changed because I am tired of my car running 10.1sec 0-60. It's a friggin' dog. My Dodge Caravan is faster than this thing just doesn't corner as well.
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Old 03-13-2001, 08:43 PM   #28
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I believe it does wortk in an auto - someone here has a legacy auto with one.

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Old 03-14-2001, 06:27 PM   #29
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bump, anyone??
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Old 03-14-2001, 07:18 PM   #30
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Man where are the results? I mean come on if they expect us to buy a torque chip II we need to know what's going on then..
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Old 03-14-2001, 07:36 PM   #31
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When somebody has dyno results before and after at sea level send them to me.
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Old 03-23-2001, 06:03 AM   #32
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TTT
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Old 03-23-2001, 06:16 AM   #33
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i tried installing it. Nothing but problems. First, the install directions suck. They are very unclear. So, I called JC. They told me how to do it. When I did, nothing worked right anymore. As in, my cooling fans went on, and stayed on. My speedo didn't work, and my CE light came on immediately.

I then took it out, and it took me 3 ECU resets before I could get the ECU light to stay off. Cause it would shut off, but turn on again once I revved about about 5k. Now I'm afraid to run my enigne that high.

My advice, stay away from it, unless they install it themselves, cause they don't give very good instructions. Plus, I'm thinking the chip I got was crapped out, anyway, cause it was the floor demo.

And yes JC, if you're reading this, it's the one you sent to Joshua K. Didn't work for him, didn't work for me, either.
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Old 03-23-2001, 06:28 AM   #34
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Well, there goes my idea of buying one. Wht would JC send you something that already was proven not to woprk for someone else? Damnit! Now I need to find an SAFC.
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Old 03-24-2001, 01:43 PM   #35
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JC Sports didn't send jim mine, we tried it in his car to see if it was the chip or if it was my car, since they said they have never encountered anything with the chip before. I am supposed to recieve a new one so I will let people know how it goes.
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Old 03-24-2001, 07:20 PM   #36
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Thanks josh, please let us know how it goes.
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Old 03-25-2001, 12:57 AM   #37
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JC Sports . . . rebuttal? Did you finish a dyno test yet?
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Old 03-25-2001, 04:55 PM   #38
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With this many people's decisions (mine included) weighing on these results, you think we'd be seeing something soon, hmm?? We're all waiting...please hurry up!!!
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Old 03-26-2001, 06:41 AM   #39
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My view on this product is rapidly declining, and until JC sports gets off there butts to try to save face with yet another product, Im not sending them ANY money. Any one have an SAFC for sale?
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Old 03-26-2001, 08:14 AM   #40
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don't MY 200-2001's not really need a S-AFC? and if the TC-II does basically the same thing, then why get one? i probably just don't know enough about it to know if it would help or not, but that's what i've heard. any comments?
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Old 03-26-2001, 09:25 AM   #41
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Trojan man, I have a 99....
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Old 03-27-2001, 06:23 AM   #42
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yes but the guy that said he tried it out has a 2000 in his list on the side
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Old 03-27-2001, 08:04 AM   #43
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IIRC the 2000 learn to by pass both the (TC2?) and the SAFC's.... So yes, Trojan, you are right, the 2k's dont need an SAFC as they learn they way around it, and the TC2's?...
I thought you meant I had a 2k....sorry.
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Old 03-27-2001, 10:19 AM   #44
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JC Sports told me the TC2 is designed with the 00/01 MAP sensor in mind.

My view is that the SAFC is meant to flat-out trick the ECU. It looks at your throttle position and RPM to pick a delta percentage from the flow map, modifying the air flow signal by that value.

The TC2 is also designed to trick the ECU, but I think it's a little smarter. The inputs to the system are speed, RPM, intake temp, and MAP. The RPM signal does not seem to be modified, since it is merely a tap off the signal to the ECU. The speed, intake temp, and MAP are all inputs and outputs to the TC2, making them candidates for modification.

At the very least, I've heard the TC2 has a voltage clamp for the MAP, which I guess is necessary for turbo cars. I know it also modifies the intake temp signal to the ECU to be cooler than the actual signal. I'm not sure what it does to the speed signal to the ECU, but it must do something, otherwise they wouldn't have you cut the wire.

The TC2 supposedly monitors the speed and the RPM and attempts to teach (trick) the ECU into giving you more power. The advantage I could see the TC2 having is that it is constantly monitoring the performance of the engine, allowing it to (hopefully) counteract the ECU "learning" in the 00/01 cars.
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Old 03-27-2001, 11:28 AM   #45
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Well until I hear some hard evidence and they can explian how they came about this item... and some true result numbers... I'm very skeptical.

JC better step up... I want some real explainations.
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Old 03-27-2001, 11:38 AM   #46
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Yeah, I've heard enough "supposedly" and "hopefully" to last me a lifetime. Hard evidence please!
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Old 03-27-2001, 09:44 PM   #47
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of coarse! ANY test results would be greatly appreciated. *hint hint* Hey JC Sports, did you test it yet?
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Old 03-28-2001, 12:16 AM   #48
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Well some experiments could be rigged up to see what the TC2 does. The wiring harness diagram from lagging.com tells what kind of signals should be expected from all of the sensors. So there are probably some test circuits that could be rigged to see what the TC2 is doing, if anything.

At the very least I could probably rig up a difference circuit to see if the temp signal output really is less than the temp circuit input.

The speedo test might be a little harder since it says that the speed signal is "alternating 0 and 5" which means it's probably a duty-cycle based signal rather than a level based signal.

I think the MAP signal is just clamped to 4.8V to allow for turbos. But I think a simple difference circuit, like the intake temp test, would also work on the MAP signals.

Of course this assumes that I have the free time to rig up a little test bench. But I'm sure there'd probably be some interest in the results, right?
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Old 03-28-2001, 06:42 AM   #49
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you know what's funny? When Josh and I called JC to see which temp sensor they were talking about, the told us Coolant Temp!! Up there, though, someone said intake temp. Love how those guys have their act together.

They also told us that since I had a 2000, w/o turbo, that I need not hook up the MAP sensor wires! What kinda crap is that?

if they're going to half-ass the instructions, least they can do is get it right when you call them
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Old 03-28-2001, 07:56 AM   #50
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I think that someone makes the TC2 for JC Sports. So they may have just as little of a clue about them as most of us do.

I may run out at lunch today and buy a voltmeter and then go out to do some experiments tonight. At the very least I should be able to use it to measure the modified temp signal and the modified MAP signal. My gut feeling says the MAP is clamped to 4.8 and that's it. If that's the case, then I probably won't see any difference since I'm not running turbo.
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