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Old 06-07-2001, 08:13 AM   #76
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The torque chip gradually adjusts your fuel and timing curves for maximum performance, it does not do it right away, hence the 30 day period.
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Old 06-07-2001, 08:41 AM   #77
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It is not JCS that is being deceptive or secretive - rather the designer chooses to limit what information that he dispenses to JCS and others, and then let the results (and customers) speak for themselves. This is reasonable to protect his interests.
Well if all companies "protected" the very results they wish to "dispense" to sell their products, then not much good would they be doing to themselves. Hence the result of JC Sports getting slammed in this thread.

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and right now we all just have to decide whether to believe what TCII owners have to say, since you won't believe JC Sports
Well, it's pretty easy to believe in NOTHING. Since JC Sports hasn't released any info as of yet.
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Old 06-07-2001, 08:48 AM   #78
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I don't trust the g-tech very much... It's very hard to get consistent numbers or an average, unless you do like 5-10 runs.

I took the g-tech to the track with me for 2 runs, and it was 2/10's and 3mph off (for the better) on the first, and 4/10's and 5 mph on the second (I will post my slips one day).

I also plan on getting this chip depending on feedback from customers. Burningrubber, and Larry have allways been straight forward and I value their input.

As for dyno numbers, I am waiting for my road dyno and we'll see how that goes..

If someone wants to lend me a TC2, I'd be more than happy to dyno it .

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Old 06-07-2001, 02:08 PM   #79
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I will go broke when I get the chip...why does it require +90 octane fuel?...

I like the sounds of the chip reducing 1/4mile times soo much, but I dont know if I ever want to deal with JC Sports again.
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Old 06-07-2001, 06:20 PM   #80
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Those results seem very optimistic...

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Old 06-07-2001, 06:34 PM   #81
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Blindeye_03 - The reason why it requires premium fuel is b/c it alters your ignition map to advance more timing.

EricG - Those were the averaged numbers from the G-tech runs. I'm going to do some more testing here in another 2weeks to confirm the changes.
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Old 06-08-2001, 12:54 AM   #82
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tulit - tests were conducted with minimal "disturbances", hence varying factors were minimized. Tests were all done on the same stretch of road, at the same time, with very similar weather conditions. The tests were actually conducted more than 30days apart. Driver was the same, same launching rpm (3200rpm).

The times posted were average of 10 G-tech pro runs. The first few tend to be slower, but as we neared the last few runs, times were getting better.


Effects of the TC2 should be more pronounced if you have an Air Intake, Header and exhaust as well. Just remember to use 90+octane fuel.
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Old 06-08-2001, 06:32 AM   #83
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You need 90+ octane fuel?!?!?
Correction: I will not be getting a JCS TCII, On top of the cost of the chip, I would be spending $30-$40 more on gas every month!
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Old 06-08-2001, 06:38 AM   #84
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96LConversion, you can't get something for nothing. *If* the torque chip actually does anything useful (and I'm still skeptical, to be honest), the most obvious thing it could do to increase power would be to increase ignition timing. But that needs better gas. I would really think that it is all a sham if they claimed that the chip gives you all those improvements on regular gas!

BTW, if you're really hard up for cash, you should look for a gas station with "Super Wednesdays" or some other such promotion where they reduce the price of premium down to the price of plus for the day or something. Then it's not quite so expensive. I *always* fill up on Wednesdays at my local Sunoco - my turbo really likes Ultra 94, and I feel a loss of power if I use 93.

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Old 06-08-2001, 07:41 AM   #85
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my turbo really likes Ultra 94, and I feel a loss of power if I use 93...
now that's a sensitive butt dyno

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Old 06-08-2001, 08:25 AM   #86
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I was reading through this thread and thought I would add my experiance. I piped in a little on page two along with JGard about my experiance. Here is my most recent post in the turbo forum involving the TC II

I am having alot of codes on my car. They all started when JC Sports sent me a defective Torque Chip II which messed up all my sensors and my ECU. In Fact with in an hour of install blew my ECU Fuse. I have tried replacing Both O2 sensors, which is one of the codes being thrown, with no change. The O2 Sensor are also only reading at .30V both with the new and the old ones. Here are the codes being thrown please help.
P0403 EGR Circuit Low

P1102 Pressures Sources Switching Solenoid Valve Circut Low

P0505 Idle control System Malfunction

P0443 Canister Purge Control Solenoid Valve Circuit Low

P0141 Rear O2 Sensor Malfunction

P0135 Front O2 Sensor Malfunction

Any help would be apprecited. I am thinking for some of the code that maybe I need check valves on certain vacuum lines? Also I was thinking of going TEC II but since it's running along with the stock ECU, one of the things being Idle control. I don't know if it would solve my problems.
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The infact admited to sending me a deffective chip then even the second one they sent was deffective or maybe it was because so many things were messed up in my car from the first that even a good one wouldn't work? When I first got it was told to hook it up to the rear O2 sensor line to the ecu for temp. then I was told temp went to coolant temp and then I was told another one which I don't remember now. I have tried putting another ECU in my car with similar results. So there seems to be no answer to my problems, besides going to a TEC II.
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Old 06-08-2001, 08:40 AM   #87
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I guess I wont be getting one. JC Sports customer service is horrid and if I have to worry about dealing with them, then forget it . Down further in this forum about another company making a chip for wrx's and 2.5RS's...I will be getting theirs when it gets released...
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Old 06-09-2001, 12:45 AM   #88
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Hi!

yebokmj: I had the exact same problem... but not the codes... I think i had a speedo code and something else... JCS has taken my TCII back since it was defective... Besides you and me i think we are the only two that got a defective chip... bad luck on our side
But I have no problems with my ECU... it works fine... But i still have some codes.. but the dealership guys say its because of the turbo... heh... I actually thought that I installed it wrong...

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You guys do realize that with using 90+ octane fuel will yield better fuel efficiency right?

These tests were done on the same car with the same type of fuel (from same gas station). You could try using "regular" gas first on the TC2, but the results may not be as good.

You do you have to remember that when you go turbo or tuning for high output N/A, you must use premium fuel.

As a side note, premium fuel contain more cleaning agents, as well as burns cleaner, so it's also better for the environment.
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