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Old 04-18-2001, 06:53 PM   #1
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Post 4pt harness questions...

How would I go about getting a 4point harness for my seat (drivers side)? Can I use my existing seats?? (01 2.5rs)
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Old 04-18-2001, 07:26 PM   #2
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i too want a 4 pt harness. i've seen them on cars with the stock seats but i want to know if it will interfere with getting in the back seat. post pics plz.
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Old 04-18-2001, 07:41 PM   #3
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Correct me if I am wrong. But I don't think so because our stock seat doesn't have them two little 'wholes' to hold the belt. BTW, you most likely will loose one of the back seat, because you can't just tight the belts straight down. They have to be at an angle... Good luck!
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Old 04-18-2001, 08:03 PM   #4
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I dont want more than 1 passanger riding in my car anyway, so the more reason the better . I need the 4pt harness cuz I wanna start auto-xing soon & my standard belt wont hold me worth crap street driving *agressive cornering* .
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Old 04-18-2001, 08:07 PM   #5
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yes you can use 4pt harnesses with the stock seat(s) and no, noone will be able to sit in the back seat where there is a harness.

If the shoulders are properly adjusted the little holes are not neccissary, they are mostly there to keep the harness in place when you get out of the car.
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Old 04-18-2001, 08:34 PM   #6
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how is the harness mounted? thought it was attached on the side so there was still the possiblity of using the rear seats but just a hassle to get in.

also, do i have to keep the stock seat belts? i think it looks odd having 2 belts and i want a nice clean look.

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Old 04-19-2001, 04:27 AM   #7
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The harness can mount to your existing bolt holes for your existing seat belts. The shorder harness bolts into the rear lap seat bolt holes and the lap belt bolts into the existing front two holes. Just make sure thet you get long harness straps because they have to go all the way to the back. This is an easy install the only par of the car you have to take appart is the bottom part of the rear seat to get the the bolts.

I have removed all existing stock belts which did take a little longer to remove the unit int the rear corder pannels, but is does look a lot neater with the old belts out of the way.

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Old 04-19-2001, 06:43 AM   #8
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Ok, who makes a good pair of 4pt harnesses?
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Old 04-19-2001, 01:32 PM   #9
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How about a 3 point??? works just as well as the 4 point and the installation was EEEAAASSSYYYY.
Clubman 3 by Sparco/Sabelt.
It's a very nice belt and nice for everyday driving.
You can even get one for the passenger side that has a double buckle to allow access to the back seat.

Check out mine installed with factory seats:
http://home.att.net/~tkjacobs/imprezapage.htm
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Old 04-19-2001, 06:59 PM   #10
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I dunno what FIA is but I would want one to be approved or what not...

I would prefer a 4pt harness...

Is sparco any good?
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Old 04-19-2001, 07:06 PM   #11
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if your going to get new seatbelts why not just get 5pts. this way if you start spinning or flipping there is no way you will move from the seat. imo i would go with 5pt if you are planning on getting new belts cant go wrong and dought it costs much more.
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Old 04-19-2001, 07:10 PM   #12
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Federation International Auto

Formula 1

WRC Rally

They are all part of the FIA organization.

Um, the belts are pretty good Sabelt/Sparco makes belts for Formula 1 and several other "high impact" sports. In fact Michael Schumacher drives with a Sabelt harness.

The belt is VERY high quality, reasonably priced and will squash you 3 inches into the seat if you want it to.

I see no reason to get a 4 point over a 3 point unless you plan on crashing sideways at 100mph.

The main purpose of the harness in my case is to lock me into the car, keep my body from moving, give a MUCH better feel for what the car is doing in the corners.
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Old 04-19-2001, 07:58 PM   #13
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I thought I heard somewhere that you had to have a roll cage for that..?
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Old 04-19-2001, 08:16 PM   #14
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A roll cage for what?
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Old 04-19-2001, 08:24 PM   #15
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...a rollcage to mount the harnesses to. No, you don't need a rollcage for that.

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Old 04-19-2001, 08:30 PM   #16
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So what company makes a 4pt harness that can bolt right in my car w/ my stock seats?
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Old 04-19-2001, 09:33 PM   #17
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Sabelt, Schroth, Sparco.

I tell ya my Sabelt 3 point went in really easy.........
Came with hardware and everything.
Probably the same with the 4-point version of it, but I don't know where you would want to hook the 4th point.

The 3 point acts just like a 4-point and is mounted to known good harness mounting points.

No, you do not need a rollcage to put a harness in the Impreza.
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Old 04-20-2001, 06:48 AM   #18
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Be careful about ditching the stock belts for full time harness use. They are designed to hold you IN-PLACE. Translate that to no radio adjusting, reaching for the next seat, or adjusting vents, etc. Also more importantly, the reason you heard about using a rollcage with them is because if (heaven forbid) you do roll over, your melon won't get popped as the rollcage will hold the roof up. That won't happen without a cage, and the stock belt will let you move to the side where a harness will keep you planted upright, making your head a bad kickstand. Schroth makes a DOT approved harness that will let you move in the case of a roll. I know of no other harness that does this.

Having said that, if you do track days and the like, I believe that 3&4pt are no good. They'd rather you use a 5pt(and highly reccommend a cage w/it)or stock belts. I know CarGuys, inc. is like that.

AutoX is fine with a 3 or 4pt harness. I use a bungee cord wrapped around the "Y" and stretched to the bottom of the seat to hold the belt centered at the headrest. I simply let it hang flat when not in use. I wish my rear seat folded down, as that's the perfect storage mode when draped up and around the back. Oh, and figure about 2seconds faster oncourse when you add the harness! Just info to ponder.
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I'm not sure if this has been brought up before or not, but these harnesses are not a legal substitute for a seat belt on public roads. Meaning that if your state requires the use of a seat belt at all times, you're s.o.l. if you get pulled over wearing a harness. You will still get a ticket for not wearing the proper restraint device.

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Old 04-20-2001, 08:51 AM   #20
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Schroth makes a street legal 3 point harness. It has an inertia reel which lets you move around but locks like a normal seat belt. A bypass switch can also be installed to allow you to lock the harness manually. The harness is designed so that if you in an accident one of the two shoulder belts will release allowing you to pivot and not submarine under the lap belt.

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Old 04-20-2001, 10:59 PM   #21
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im interested in the Schroth one but can't seem to find one online? does anyone know where i can get one? how much?
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Old 04-21-2001, 12:11 AM   #22
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I'm pretty sure Department Of Transportation (DOT) approved means legal for driving.

Schroth's are, Sabelt's aren't.

That's why I wear both the 3 point Sabelt and the stock belt at all times.

Track days tend to generate higher speeds than autocross, and many require the rollcage.

I only autoX so the 3 point works very nicely to hold me into the seat firmly.

I put a piece of heat shrink tube around the left rod of my headrest to make sure the belt doesn't fray in that area. Otherwise, if adjusted to the right position it pretty much centers itself.
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Well I guess I will wait until I (if) get a roll cage cuz i dont wanna kill myself . I was just hoping that there was some way to 'lock' me in my seat cuz i always seem to fly out of it when I corner *driving on the normal roads*.
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Old 04-22-2001, 07:52 PM   #25
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Harnesses without a rollcage are a waste of money. In a rapid deceleration accident (ie hitting something) the shoulder straps coming from the back seat area will merely compress your spine. This is bad because your clothes just won't fit right anymore.
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