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Old 05-02-2001, 12:28 AM   #1
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Question Cobb cams and my warrenty?

I'm thinking about getting the "spicy" cams, but I don't want any problems with my warrenty. Since some Subaru dealerships sell Cobb tuned Imprezas with factory warrenties, would having the cams installed by a dealership cause a problem with my warrenty, or would that still be considered an aftermarket thing? Don't know if this makes much sense, but basicly, I want Cobb cams w/o sacrificing my warrenty, and I want a dealer to instal them, if possible, since they have the most knowlege with these engines. Thanx in advance for any help ya'll can give me!
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Old 05-02-2001, 12:39 AM   #2
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Those Cobb Tuned Imprezas are warrantied by both Subaru and Cobb. This means that Subaru will honor the warranty on their portion of the car. If you got problems with the intake or the cams, I believe it is Cobb that warranties it. So adding cams is still considered an aftermarket part. This is from what I understand. Hope this helps.
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Old 05-02-2001, 02:19 AM   #3
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The biggest question I have is how would putting those cams in affect my Subaru warrenty? If I had a problem with the engine, would Subaru still honor it? I've still got lots of time/milage left on my warrenty, and I don't want to lose it. Thanks for the help, though
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Old 05-02-2001, 02:32 AM   #4
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Cobb tuned impreza's don't include any cam work the last I heard.
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Old 05-02-2001, 03:19 AM   #5
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They don't? I though they had cams, but I could be wrong, it's happened before. Ask my ex-wife, she'll tell you

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Old 05-02-2001, 03:20 AM   #6
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Cams aren't included in any Cobb tuning package because they would void the warrenty for the engine with subaru.
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Old 05-02-2001, 03:53 AM   #7
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Well, I guess that answers my question. Not what I wanted to hear, but good to know. Thanks anyways!
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Old 05-02-2001, 04:44 AM   #8
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Bye bye bye...warranty....but you know what?,,I didn't care; and after all i'm hapier than ever..

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Old 05-02-2001, 05:33 AM   #9
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Hey, Andre, which cams do you have? Regular or spicy?
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Old 05-02-2001, 09:48 AM   #10
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a mfg cannot legally void your warranty for any modification unless either the modification is explicitly excluded in the language of your warranty, or they can directly attribute the failure you are claiming to your modification.

The notion running around this board that any aftermarket mod will void your warranty is completely wrong.
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Old 05-02-2001, 10:29 AM   #11
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Gavin, I don't know where your coming from on this. Everybody on this board understands this because it is for the most part true. The manufacturer legally has the discretion on wether to honor a warranty claim for a modified car. The warranty covers the manufacturers equipment in the original condition as sold. Subaru may warranty a blown engine that has aftermarket parts on it, but they are not legally bound to. Legally, the warranty only applies to a vehicle in the same condition as it was sold in. That's the truth.

I am a Reliability and Quality Engineer. It is my business to test and qualify products according to our internal specifications. I also know that very few manufacturers are going to fix a blown engine under warranty that has aftermarket cams in it.
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Old 05-02-2001, 10:38 AM   #12
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No, that's not the truth. You are not required to use OEM parts unless that part is supplied for free. That is federal statute.

If SOA can reasonable support a case that your cams caused the blown engine, then you are out of luck, and it's up to you to di your homework and know the risk of any mod you make to your car. But, the warranty is not automatically voided, and the mfg does not have discretion in honoring a claim. They can refuse, and you can go to litigation, or arbitration, but they still have to make the case that your mod caused the failure.

I didn't say it would be easy, but everyone should know their rights.
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I think the problem is that the cams are designed specifically to be different from the stock part. It would be very easy for Subaru to simply say "we designed the engine to work with our cams, you put in non-spec equipment, now the engine doesn't work". Unless the problem that occurred is obviously another component's fault, and it's impossible to say that premature wear was caused due to the way the engine ran with the out-of-spec cams, you can't expect them to be legally bound. Yes, installing an intake probably won't void your warranty, unless you throw check engine lights due to exhaust problems, that they can blame on an out-of-spec intake. If you throw a rod, no, they won't blame that on the intake(probably). But cams are very internal parts, so if anything else goes, I would not count on the warranty.

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Hmmm. let's expand on that. If the aftremarket part is not directly related to the failure......
" ...you should honor my warranty for my blown tranny. The aftremarket turbocharger, which produces twice the torque originally designed for the tranny, has NOTHING to do with the failure!"


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Derres - Do I detect a little sarcasm?

I hope so. Yeah, the turbo would complicate your warranty claim for a broken tranny. Why? Because it puts extra strain on it. But the turbo would NOT void the warranty on the stock radio. Unless it melted it through the firewall. But then you've got other issues.

Oh. I want the cams too. But I'm going to hold off. I've still got a long time on my warranty. But I've got a question... how would they know you put a cam in, unless you broke something serious? It might sound a little different... run a little different... but um. Yeah. That's just the cat-back making it sound like that.

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edited 'cause the basic content was posted in another thread...doh

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Old 05-02-2001, 03:34 PM   #17
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Derres,
I don't mean to get picky, and I see your point, but I don't believe that you need to remove the head to exchange cams. You only need to remove the valve covers. I believe that one has to remove the valve covers in order to adjust the valves...with that said you may be able to get away with telling them that you only adjusted your valves ( of course doing so would be dishonest )
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If you break the heads off to install the cams, you will probably need a new head gasket. If the dealership looked into it enough (as in the case of a warranty claim) they could tell. Also, the idle being off would be an indicator of internal work.

Also, it is a crime to knowingly submit a warranty claim for a part that has been midified and no longer covered under warranty. The first thing they will ask you at the dealer when you try to make a big claim (blown engine) is if there was any mods done. If you lie, you could go to jail (worse case). Serious.
Again, mods that are related to the failure will be suspect. Wether they are related or not is, unfortunately, mostly up to the dealership. You could fight it, but how much extra time and money do you have for a lawyer?
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Dam I didn't realize what I started with what I said. So let me tell you about my conversation with Chris Fleming of Huffines Subaru in Dallas Tx. He and Trey were the ones who put together the Cobb Tuning cars. Chris said (not verbaitom) but to the effect that they went for items that wouldn't be in question down the road to warrenty issues. This conversation came about because I bought a Automatic (BRING IT ON FLAME BOYS) and didn't get the short shifter. I asked if they could put the mod on the tranny makes it shift quicker and the response was that it was considered but I was told that it could possibly become a warrenty problem. I've read the Sema page and have it bookmarked myself but I'd hate to be on the defensive end of the arguement where I have to refer to it at the dealer.

The way the Cobb Tuned car's warrenty works it all of the stock RS parts are still covered by Subaru and the Cobb Tuning packages are covered by Cobb. Personally I don't seeing there being much to worry about on the items installed.

P.S. The automatic was the only thing the wife wanted on this sedan but hey she did like the idea on the cobb package to help make up for the loss in performance of the auto.

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