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Old 01-29-2003, 03:53 PM   #1
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Cool GB for DOT compliant 4pot BBK that fits the OE 16x6.5" wheels!

These brakes fit all Imprezas, Legacys and Foresters equpped with OEM 16x6.5" wheels.
These are the largest DOT compliant 4pot/rotor combo that will fit underneath your stock 16x6.5" wheels! So instead of going with a larger BBK which requires new wheels and tires, you can save your OE wheels for track rubber or for winter use.


Technical Info:
Calipers
- Custom AP Racing CP5100
- 4 x 38.1mm pistons
- Dust Seals
- DOT compliant
- 1.9kg/caliper
- Compatible pads -> Ferodo DS2000,2500,3000; Pagid RS14B, RS42; PFC 83, 93

Rotors
- 12.2" (310mm) x 0.98" (25mm)
- 2-piece system. CNC machined billet aluminum hat.
- SS fastening hardware (same hardware used in F1 & CART)
- directionally vented
- available in either x-drilled or slotted

-> Calipers & hardware weighs in at a feathery 4.50lbs each side (this is the caliper, caliper mount and SS lines)
-> Pads weigh in at 2.00lbs each side
-> 12.2" 2-piece rotors weigh in at 11.75lbs each side

Total weight / side = ~18.25lbs vs. Subaru OE 11.4" Rotor w/ FHI 4pots which is approxiately 32lbs

Therefore a total weight savings of 13.75lbs!

This Kit Comes With: (Front Only)
(1) AP Racing 4pot calipers CP5100
(2) SS Brakelines (F&R) & Hardware
(3) 12.2", 2-piece slotted directionally veined rotors, w/ CNC Billet Aluminum Hat (anodized black)
(4) Chromolly Brake Brackets (anodized black)
(5) Ferrodo DS2500 pads
(6) AP Racing 5.1 brake fluid

Replacement cost of the rotors (slotted, non directional veins) is ~ $195US/ rotor. *Note that this is for the bare rotor only and doesn't include the aluminum hat. The Al. hat is reused along with the SS locking nuts. ie: only the outter piece, not the inner piece is $195US/each*

Retail pricing on this kit is $2549US+shipping ($3439CAD + shipping)

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*Note shipping is anywhere within Continental North America, Hawaii and Alaska extra*
**Kits are shipped UPS standard FULLY INSURED**
***We are not responsible for any duties or taxes that may be charged***
****Prices listed are for payment via Money Order or Wire Transfer, for payments by CC, paypal is used and subject to a 5% processing fee****

Here's the 12.2" Two Piece rotors for the kit:


Here's the full BBK w/o the wheel on:


Here's the full BBK w/o the wheel on, shown w/ the optional thermal indicator on the calipers ($125US option)


Here's the full BBK w/ the wheel on:


Here's the full BBK w/ the wheel on, shown w/ the optional
thermal indicator on the calipers ($125US option)



Here's the full BBK installed (slotted version):


Here's the full BBK installed (slotted version):



For more info, feel free to email us -> info@ionperformance.com
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Old 01-30-2003, 11:19 AM   #2
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What happened to the other BBK you were offering? Is this the same one? You hadnt mentioned the caliper manufacturer before?!?

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Old 01-30-2003, 06:45 PM   #3
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subysouth - this specific brake kit was designed as an "advancement" to the last one, as the calipers used now have dust seals.
As well, rotors are now 0.98" thick vs. 0.81" in the older kit. Not to mention, the directionally vented rotors were optional on the previous kit, whereas these are standard. X-drilling or Slotting comes optional @ no extra charge, whereas the previous kit was extra.
This brake kit is fully DOT compliant, whereas all the other kits on the market (ie: Wilwood, etc) are not. This new kit also comes with Ferrodo Sport pads vs. the Hawk HPS, and also includes AP Racing fluid and F&R SS brake lines

As an additional bonus, the total weight of the BBK drops another 2.0lbs vs. the other BBK
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Old 01-30-2003, 08:07 PM   #4
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Hello

I am interested in this kit but do you have any pictures of it?


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Old 01-30-2003, 10:58 PM   #5
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rs-scooby - pictures posted. Note that the full kit shown is the full blown race version using a 13.5" rotor, and requiring minimum of 17" wheels.
The 2-piece rotor shown is one for the Dodge Viper, shown w/ optional slotting.
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Old 01-31-2003, 02:50 AM   #6
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Do you have to rebuild these if they are used in the snow and salt? I live in Chicago and need a all-weather system. I know some of the other system on the market needed to be rebuild after time. Just wondering.
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Old 01-31-2003, 08:12 AM   #7
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I think that is what he means by DOT compliant. They have dust seals thus no need for a regular rebuild.

I'm interested in this kit, but I'm in the process of changing cars. Once that's done I should in the market around March.

I must ask as I've been shopping for brake kits that would clear the OEM 16x7" wheels... How does your kit compare to the kit from Rallyspec? DO their calipers require a rebuild? I'm looking for a no service kit, just routine maintenence (pads, rotors, occasional re-bleed of the system).

Thanks - Jon
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Old 01-31-2003, 10:58 AM   #8
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Redline8k - eventually these will have to be rebuilt. However the frequency of requiring a rebuild would be similar to that of an OE caliper. So once every couple of years would be sufficient.
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Old 01-31-2003, 01:08 PM   #9
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omahasubaru - are you referring to the Subaru 4pot kit? If so, those will eventually require new seals as well.

Generally, if you use your brakes under extreme weather and load conditions really often, it's always a good idea to do a rebuild after 2-3 years, with a brake system flush once every 12 to 15months (depending on the fluid you use). Keeping your brake system healthy will be able to extend operating life as well as performance
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Old 01-31-2003, 02:33 PM   #10
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Is there any testing on these brakes? I am courious as how much better these work.
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Old 01-31-2003, 03:02 PM   #11
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128d - here's some imperical testing data.

The following data was collected under the following conditions:
(1) Vehicle tested - MY98 Legacy L w/ OE 16x6.5" wheels & RE92's.
(2) Conditions - ~10C (50F), clear sky, overcast, no wind
(3) Elevation is ~3/4 above sealevel
(4) Braking distance (stock) according to R&T is 136ft from 60mph (96.56km/h) *note this braking distance was measured on the GT, which is equiped w/ 2pots & 10.7" rotors up front. The "L" had a front GT brake conversion, and thus braking distances are shorter then it would be for a stock Legacy L*

Tests were done on a straight piece of road using light standards to measure distance. Each light standard is 10m (32.81ft) apart.
Vehicle was brought up to speed and cruise control set (to have a comparitive standard). Braking started at the same lamp standard which was marked.

(w/ ABS activated)
Baseline tests w/ OE 2pot brakes, OE pads, OE 10.7" rotors and AP Racing Dot 5.1 fluid. (average of 10 stops) *note brake fad started to occur ~ 6 stops into the test*

Stopping distance from 100km/h->0 (62mph->0) was recorded as ~142ft (43m)

Test after BBK installed: (average of 15 stops, note on slotted rotor version, no brake fade was felt)

Stopping distance from 100km/h->0 (62mph->0) was recorded at ~122ft (37m)

(w/ ABS switched off)
Stopping distance after the BBK was installed was ~110ft (33.5m)
*note this was an average of 10 runs*
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Old 02-01-2003, 05:55 PM   #12
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Old 02-02-2003, 10:25 PM   #13
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Nice looking kit. AP Racing has a great reputation. What piston sizes? Also manufacturer of the rotors? Last question, are the Feroda pads the DS2500's.

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Old 02-02-2003, 11:27 PM   #14
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Nice looking kit. AP Racing has a great reputation. What piston sizes? Also manufacturer of the rotors? Last question, are the Feroda pads the DS2500's.

Thanks.

Big Sky
Just saw the piston sizes above- Doh! Other two questions stand

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Old 02-03-2003, 02:44 AM   #15
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BIGSKYWRX - the rotors are custom made here in Canada by KVR for us Yes the pads included in this kit are the Ferodo DS2500's
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Old 02-03-2003, 02:56 PM   #16
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omahasubaru - are you referring to the Subaru 4pot kit? If so, those will eventually require new seals as well.
I'm referring to their $2k kit with Brembo calipers, AP rotors and SS brake lines.

Thanks - Jon

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Old 02-03-2003, 05:38 PM   #17
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Will this kit fit the Speedline SuperTurismo ET55 17" wheel? I have trouble finding BBK's that fit under these. So far, I only found the Prodrive 330mm Alcon kit and the Brembo 328mm kit fits.
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Old 02-03-2003, 06:11 PM   #18
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omahasubaru - PM'd/email'd you

youthanasia - these should fit the Speedline Super T's w/ the +55mm offset. Reason is b/c it'll have the same maximum clearence of the stock wheels (16x6.5" that is).
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omahasubaru - just got confirmation that the calipers used on that kit have not dust seals. Also, no fluid is included, nor rear lines.
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omahasubaru - just got confirmation that the calipers used on that kit have not dust seals. Also, no fluid is included, nor rear lines.
Good to know. One more reason to go with your kit!
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Old 02-05-2003, 02:07 PM   #21
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Cool Info update

We've up'd the specs again from our pre-production kit!

Instead of 300mm x 25mm rotors, we've upped the rotor size to 310mm x 25mm! All this without increasing the weight more then 1/4lbs!

So instead of 11.8" it's now 12.2"
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Old 02-06-2003, 06:31 PM   #22
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Very shortly we'll have a matching rear upgrade available too Projected price will be $300-$400US less then the fronts. Ofcourse w/ a GB even more
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Life can be so cruel...There's this great GB for the ideal brake upgrade and my wallet is empty. AP calipers, fit under a 16" wheel, 2-pieces rotors, great weight savings.

This thing is perfect for anyone who wants both track and gravel duty out of their Impreza. It's adequate for the track days and canyon runs, while still being able to fit under the 16" wheels when you decide to go offroad.

ION, I don't know when I'll have the money, but when I do, you'll be getting a call!

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Old 02-06-2003, 08:33 PM   #24
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This may be the answer a lot of people have been looking for.

Do you have any pics of the kit installed? with and without a wheel on?
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Old 02-06-2003, 11:41 PM   #25
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thebusiness999 - well, that's too bad however, if you want to be one of the people to help get the price down to the 25 person price, you could sign up... and perhaps use your CC via paypal to pay, as that'll allow you to have an extra 3 weeks or so

As mentioned, this kit is designed for maximum street performance with the ability to go on the track no probs

Dude - we never took any pics of the pre-production version with the 11.8" rotors, however in 2 weeks or so time, we'll finish up the production version with 12.2" rotors, and then we'll be taking some pics

The rears are currenty still in development Should be done shortly
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