Any Wagon owners Moving up to WRX STi ??? - Page 2

Benjamin Tang · 02-01-2003, 12:55 PM

no probs man.

there is so much grumbling pricing overlap in subaru model ranges. look at all the complaints about the impreza sti msrp. a normal wrx can cost more than a higher end legacy, and the impreza is supposed to be the lowest model. they say the legacy turbo could be in the $40k range... where would a forester sti end up?

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gtguy · 02-01-2003, 03:04 PM

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Originally posted by Benjamin Tang
they say the legacy turbo could be in the $40k range... where would a forester sti end up?

In my garage!

Subaru would be insane to try and sell a $40K car. At that point, they're in Audi/BMW land, not to mention those hot rod Volvos.

We'll have to wait and see what happens. The price of the WRX STi should tell us a lot.

Kevin

gugarci · 02-01-2003, 05:37 PM

No I plan to keep my wagon unless i get a divorce.

The Sti is nice but I would prefer a Legacy STI sedan or wagon.

SuperRuWRX · 02-03-2003, 04:27 PM

I placed my deposit today. My dealer finally agreed to MSRP what ever that may be?

Rallytime · 02-04-2003, 12:34 PM

I'd too be all over the STi wagon but I am making my 02 WRX Wagon into an STi until one is offered, if it will be at all. I'm tackling SOA employees all over telling them to offer one: trade shows, events they sponsor, e-mail, etc. I suggest we all do this. Subaru sponsors and attends a lot of events, and staffs these events with their employees (not a staffing agency). One of the reasons they do this is to be in touch with the consumer and have 1:1 interaction. Well, let 'em have it!

grindMARC · 02-07-2003, 10:11 AM

Add me to the list of WRX wagon owners that are waiting on the STI wagon! I would already have my deposit down if the wagon was available.

LoveThatWeasel · 02-07-2003, 01:47 PM

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Originally posted by grindMARC
Add me to the list of WRX wagon owners that are waiting on the STI wagon! I would already have my deposit down if the wagon was available.

And one more...I'll never tire of posting this.

Scottie · 02-09-2003, 02:35 PM

I don't know. It's a tough call. STi sedan vs WRX Sport Wagon.

One of the more important features of the wagon for me is the longer roof. Which allows for decent crossbar spacing and hence kayak carrying. On the other hand, all Subaru would have to do is make the STi's rear wing an inch or two taller and it would easily have the wagon beat in that department.

And since I'm speaking of rear appendages. All one would need is a couple of folding bar stools and the STi sedan would again have the wagon beat when it comes to tailgate parties.

And for camping the STi comes equipped with a lean-to on the front hood. With the wagon you'll still need a tent.

All in all, I think its a toss up as to which one is more versatile.

Kidding aside, when you consider the fact that the STi sedan has a 2.5L turbo vs the WRX Sport wagon's 2.0L turbo, the STi can probably tow more. (Despite the Owners manual 500 lbs rating, SOA has told me in Emails that the WRX wagon should not be used for any kind of towing). Hence, if you throw on a receiver hitch, the STi sedan may be able to do a few things you presently can't with the WRX wagon.

Now if the rumors of a Turbo Forester with a 2.5L turbo tuned for low end grunt are true, then it would be the clear winner in the versatility game. With the speculated 240-250 Hp it may even end up being faster than the WRX wagon. At the very least I would think it would have substantially more low end grunt, throttle response, and smoother power delivery. All important things for carrying loads up steeps and towing.

Coati · 02-09-2003, 02:47 PM

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Originally posted by Scottie
Now if the rumors of a Turbo Forester with a 2.5L turbo tuned for low end grunt are true, then it would be the clear winner in the versatility game. With the speculated 240-250 Hp it may even end up being faster than the WRX wagon. At the very least I would think it would have substantially more low end grunt, throttle response, and smoother power delivery. All important things for carrying loads up steeps and towing.

You've hit on the related mystery:
Not only is Subaru not immediately going to offer an STi Impreza wagon, but the Impreza wagon is the ONLY Subaru platform that won't be coming even with a 2.5l turbo:

Sedan, yep with all the STi goodies
Legacy sedan and wagon, yep, and maybe a turbo 6
Forester, yep
Baja (fer jebus' sake!), yep
Impreza wagon, NO SOUP FOR YOU!

Why?

4or2wheels · 02-11-2003, 12:41 PM

Scottie you guy bring up some good points.

I too need a vehicle to tow my trailer. As it stands the WRX wagon and the STi sedan cant really handle that chore. My Jeep Grand Cherokee(190hp) does a fair job at towing 2000lbs+.(enclosed motorcycle trailer and 2 bikes) I'll keep the Jeep for now.

Does a WRX wagon have enough sportiness to be considered a sports car? Not really but it does come close. I'd like to do some track days at road course's with the wagon but some mods would be nessary for me to feel comfortable driving that hard.

So can we have one car that does it all? As it stands now, I dont think so. A turbo Forseter may be the do it all vehicle. In the meantime my WRX wagon and Jeep will serve as daily drivers and the jeep when I need to haul the bikes.

I was going to sell 3 veicles to buy the STi but it doesnt seem worth it anymore. In addition to all this the Ins. would be a continuing large expense.

SOA , just bring the US a STi wagon and well talk

nuff said...

aussiebrydon · 02-11-2003, 01:12 PM

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Originally posted by Benjamin Tang
it's there... sti forester:

that is so badass man, oh my goodness. It looks just like a shrunken slammed Escalade or something - just the way I like it. Gas-Guzzling SUV's baaad - STI Forrester goooood.

I may eat my words later if I get to drive an STI and love it but for right now, I don't see myself giving up my 252 horsepower-on-the-road wagon for anything less than a STI Wagon.

gtguy · 02-11-2003, 05:49 PM

Aussie, that STi has me all tingly.

The WRX isn't getting the 2.5 turbo because it isn't that kind of a car for Subaru. It might eventually as Subaru moves toward reducing the number of engines that they offer, a la Nissan.

Now, an argument could be made for the WRX wagon having a 2.5T (with attendant braking/suspension tweaks) available on the option sheet, barring the absence of an STi wagon. I wouldn't put something like that past Subaru, eventually.

But the WRX sedan falls quite neatly between the RS and the STi, a very logical place for it to be. At present, the Legacy and the Forester still have the 2.5-liter, 165hp motors. As long as you're going to hot them up, why not put in the "upscale" motor into those cars, which are more important, sales volume-wise, than the Impreza is to Subaru.

It all makes sense if you look at the big picture, rather than focussing on the Impreza, as would, of course, be the expected behavior on the North American Subaru IMPREZA Owners Club.

Kevin

robmarch · 02-11-2003, 06:51 PM

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Originally posted by gtguy

Hey Coati, Subaru's weight target for the Legacy is, from what I have read, lighter than that of the WRX. How they're going to do that I don't know, but that's the target.

Kevin

Is this for real? that would be an impressive feat. Any links to this info?

4or2wheels · 02-11-2003, 07:01 PM

That STi Forester does look sweet. I wonder if SOA thinks there is a big enough market here for it. Im assuming that subaru will slowly bring the good stuff here and see how they sell. I know they still remember how the SVX didnt sell that well here.

02-07-2003, 10:11 AM	#31
grindMARC Scooby Specialist Member#: 23547 Join Date: Aug 2002 Chapter/Region: Tri-State Location: Trenton, NJ Vehicle: 02 WRX Wagon Mersoydes 300SDL	Hey SOA, me too! Add me to the list of WRX wagon owners that are waiting on the STI wagon! I would already have my deposit down if the wagon was available.

02-11-2003, 12:41 PM	#35
4or2wheels Scooby Specialist Member#: 14112 Join Date: Jan 2002 Chapter/Region: Tri-State Location: New Jersey Vehicle: 2002 wrx wagon 2010 STI DGM	Scottie you guy bring up some good points. I too need a vehicle to tow my trailer. As it stands the WRX wagon and the STi sedan cant really handle that chore. My Jeep Grand Cherokee(190hp) does a fair job at towing 2000lbs+.(enclosed motorcycle trailer and 2 bikes) I'll keep the Jeep for now. Does a WRX wagon have enough sportiness to be considered a sports car? Not really but it does come close. I'd like to do some track days at road course's with the wagon but some mods would be nessary for me to feel comfortable driving that hard. So can we have one car that does it all? As it stands now, I dont think so. A turbo Forseter may be the do it all vehicle. In the meantime my WRX wagon and Jeep will serve as daily drivers and the jeep when I need to haul the bikes. I was going to sell 3 veicles to buy the STi but it doesnt seem worth it anymore. In addition to all this the Ins. would be a continuing large expense. SOA , just bring the US a STi wagon and well talk nuff said... Last edited by 4or2wheels; 02-11-2003 at 12:47 PM.

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02-01-2003, 12:55 PM	#26
Benjamin Tang Scooby Guru Member#: 4496 Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: British Columbia Canada Vehicle: 2009 Forester red	no probs man. there is so much grumbling pricing overlap in subaru model ranges. look at all the complaints about the impreza sti msrp. a normal wrx can cost more than a higher end legacy, and the impreza is supposed to be the lowest model. they say the legacy turbo could be in the $40k range... where would a forester sti end up? * Registered users of the site do not see these ads.

02-01-2003, 05:37 PM	#28
gugarci Scooby Newbie Member#: 7386 Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Lyndhurst, New Jersey Vehicle: 02 WRX Sport Wagon WR Blue	No I plan to keep my wagon unless i get a divorce. The Sti is nice but I would prefer a Legacy STI sedan or wagon.

02-03-2003, 04:27 PM	#29
SuperRuWRX Scooby Specialist Member#: 4955 Join Date: Mar 2001 Chapter/Region: South East Location: L5P's (Atlanta,GA) Vehicle: 2004 FXT OffRoadSubarus.com	I placed my deposit today. My dealer finally agreed to MSRP what ever that may be?

02-04-2003, 12:34 PM	#30
Rallytime Scooby Newbie Member#: 4055 Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Berkeley, CA, USA Vehicle: 2002 WRX Sport Wagon WRB	I'd too be all over the STi wagon but I am making my 02 WRX Wagon into an STi until one is offered, if it will be at all. I'm tackling SOA employees all over telling them to offer one: trade shows, events they sponsor, e-mail, etc. I suggest we all do this. Subaru sponsors and attends a lot of events, and staffs these events with their employees (not a staffing agency). One of the reasons they do this is to be in touch with the consumer and have 1:1 interaction. Well, let 'em have it!

02-09-2003, 02:35 PM	#33
Scottie Scooby Specialist Member#: 2080 Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: CT Vehicle: 06 Impreza Wagon Red	I don't know. It's a tough call. STi sedan vs WRX Sport Wagon. One of the more important features of the wagon for me is the longer roof. Which allows for decent crossbar spacing and hence kayak carrying. On the other hand, all Subaru would have to do is make the STi's rear wing an inch or two taller and it would easily have the wagon beat in that department. And since I'm speaking of rear appendages. All one would need is a couple of folding bar stools and the STi sedan would again have the wagon beat when it comes to tailgate parties. And for camping the STi comes equipped with a lean-to on the front hood. With the wagon you'll still need a tent. All in all, I think its a toss up as to which one is more versatile. Kidding aside, when you consider the fact that the STi sedan has a 2.5L turbo vs the WRX Sport wagon's 2.0L turbo, the STi can probably tow more. (Despite the Owners manual 500 lbs rating, SOA has told me in Emails that the WRX wagon should not be used for any kind of towing). Hence, if you throw on a receiver hitch, the STi sedan may be able to do a few things you presently can't with the WRX wagon. Now if the rumors of a Turbo Forester with a 2.5L turbo tuned for low end grunt are true, then it would be the clear winner in the versatility game. With the speculated 240-250 Hp it may even end up being faster than the WRX wagon. At the very least I would think it would have substantially more low end grunt, throttle response, and smoother power delivery. All important things for carrying loads up steeps and towing.

02-11-2003, 05:49 PM	#37
gtguy Scooby Guru Member#: 2184 Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Highland Park, Ill., USA Vehicle: 2005 Legacy GT wagon Platinum Silver Metallic	Aussie, that STi has me all tingly. The WRX isn't getting the 2.5 turbo because it isn't that kind of a car for Subaru. It might eventually as Subaru moves toward reducing the number of engines that they offer, a la Nissan. Now, an argument could be made for the WRX wagon having a 2.5T (with attendant braking/suspension tweaks) available on the option sheet, barring the absence of an STi wagon. I wouldn't put something like that past Subaru, eventually. But the WRX sedan falls quite neatly between the RS and the STi, a very logical place for it to be. At present, the Legacy and the Forester still have the 2.5-liter, 165hp motors. As long as you're going to hot them up, why not put in the "upscale" motor into those cars, which are more important, sales volume-wise, than the Impreza is to Subaru. It all makes sense if you look at the big picture, rather than focussing on the Impreza, as would, of course, be the expected behavior on the North American Subaru IMPREZA Owners Club. Kevin

02-11-2003, 07:01 PM	#39
4or2wheels Scooby Specialist Member#: 14112 Join Date: Jan 2002 Chapter/Region: Tri-State Location: New Jersey Vehicle: 2002 wrx wagon 2010 STI DGM	That STi Forester does look sweet. I wonder if SOA thinks there is a big enough market here for it. Im assuming that subaru will slowly bring the good stuff here and see how they sell. I know they still remember how the SVX didnt sell that well here.