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Old 01-31-2003, 12:48 AM   #1
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Default Another tuner Noob here trying to figure out which way to go & why

Funds are limited so...

I am starting with an EMI adapter and MBC @ 15.5 (installing this weekend).

For what reason (besides the fact that I can tune it myself) would I want to later change to an ECUTek, or XEDE, UTEC etc?

Can someone simplify this for me?

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Old 02-04-2003, 01:05 AM   #2
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Because anything cheaper than that isn't really a very robust and reliable engine management alteration.
I would recommend you get your uppipe then downpipe and whatnot and then go to an engine management upgrade (depending on what you do). If you don't plan to go very far, you may get by with a Unichip.
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Old 02-04-2003, 02:02 AM   #3
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I wish it were another way, but if you want it to work reliably with mods, you will have to get something to control boost, ignition, and fuel. After you start bolting things on, you'll notice that the car responds better and is slightly quicker. Then someone will take you for a ride in one that has a lot of mods in it and you'll see where tuning and taking advantage of the bolt-ons comes into play. I went with UTEC and am pretty happy. I am definitely not the expert on UTEC, but have learned a lot in a short time. I do like being able to change my car's tune, and am independent enought that I don't want to have to drive it into someplace to have someone change things for me. There's plenty of support here from experience people to help you out. Still, it's not dirt cheap to buy a UTEC. But, to drive the point home, there's a night and day difference between my car running stock maps and UTEC stage 2. If you anticipate making lots of changes, then you might seriously consider a Haltech, or XEDE, or LINK, or UTEC. If not, maybe a re-tune or UNICHIP would do the trick. If you're not loaded with $$$, do what WizardBlackWRX said and you'll still have a quicker car. -Bolster
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Old 02-04-2003, 11:56 AM   #4
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dude, no offense but this is your 3rd or 4th post asking the same question??????
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Old 02-04-2003, 12:58 PM   #5
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No offense taken and I appoligize for the annoyance.

I had a decision to make and was installing after I heard from someone. I posted the first time and it was up a while without a responce. I didn't think anyone was going to. So I thought I would have to reword it a little to get someone to comment.

With limited funds I had to decide on the EMI + MBC or wait quite a while for the ECUtek.

Getting $50 off the EMI and the Joe P MBC for $40 (local) I thought I'd give it a go (for a while anyway).

I guess I was wondering if someone would chime in saying No don't do it because..... Wait for the ECUtek.

Finally getting a responce and searching through many more old posts this Noob is giving it a try.

In furthering my WRX tuning education, I'd like to go with an exhaust as my next tuning step. Later on followed by the ECUtek.

More performance but on a budget, this upgrade path seems the most logical:

1) EMI
2) MBC
3) Exhaust
4) replace 1 & 2 w/ ECUTek or similar
5) ???

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Old 02-04-2003, 01:07 PM   #6
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a good exhaust will reap considerable HP especially noticable on the low/mid rpm range. if you are running higher boost levels, i would highly recommend you replace your up-pipe or de-cat the stock one and replace your IC hose for safety measures and a bit of HP
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Old 02-04-2003, 01:14 PM   #7
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Thanks KJR,

To take the 'safety' road first you would recommend IC hoses and up-pipe as the next mods?

After some rethinking my list should look more like this;

1) EMI
2) MBC
3) EGT guage
4) up-pipe
5) IC hoses
6) Rest of exhaust
7) ECUtek, mapped properly for these mods. (I am maximizing the $)
8) ?
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Old 02-04-2003, 01:26 PM   #8
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much better

you will lower your EGT's and gain some HP with the catless up-pipe and gain a few ponys from the IC hose as well as detering a rupture from higher boost levels. EGT gauge is highly recommended but the EMI will keep those in a safe margin for you. good luck w/the build up.
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Old 02-04-2003, 01:52 PM   #9
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Part of the beauty of the ECUTek reflash option is that it makes the EMI, MBC, and EGT gauge unneccessary. Here is the path I would recommend:

1) IC hoses
2) uppipe
3) exhaust + ECUTek

As mentioned, the IC hoses and uppipe can run safely (albeit suboptimally) on the stock ECU map. Run that combo first, and when you can save enough $$ for exhaust components and an ECUTek reflash, do those together. Save the money you were going to put into the EMI, MBC and EGT... you won't need them with the ECUTek reflash.
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