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Old 04-14-2003, 04:33 AM   #51
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Is there anyway to use the factory alarm (upgraded) with a remote start system? Mine has an output to enable/disable an existing alarm, however I have heard there is no way to hook it into the Subaru factory system, just wanted to check as it would save some time.
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Old 04-14-2003, 11:04 AM   #52
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not going to happen, you'll end up spending more time trying to integrate a standalone remote start system with the subaru security upgrade.

better off getting a combo unit.

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Is there anyway to use the factory alarm (upgraded) with a remote start system? Mine has an output to enable/disable an existing alarm, however I have heard there is no way to hook it into the Subaru factory system, just wanted to check as it would save some time.
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Old 04-14-2003, 06:01 PM   #53
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Brunetmj,

Excellent find. I looked up the WRX Service Manual. The Yellow wire is from the Ignition Coil #4. It's found on Pin 8 of the E3/F60 Brown Connector. It's under the Windshield Washer Reservoir area.

Ignition Coil #1: Green/Yellow Pin 5
Ignition Coil #2: Blue/Yellow Pin 6
Ignition Coil #3: White/Yellow Pin 7
Ignition Coil #4: Yellow Pin 8

These wires go to the ECU as well.
B136 Connector
Ignition Coil #1: Yellow Pin 24
Ignition Coil #2: Yellow/Black Pin 23
Ignition Coil #3: Yellow/Red Pin 22
Ignition Coil #4: Yellow/Green Pin 21

Waveform 13-14 volts.

Common Wires to the 4 coils are Black/Yellow & Red/Yellow.

Thanks again!

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So wait, can any of these (including the wires at the ECU), be used for RPM sensing and, which is the B136 connector?
thx,
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Old 04-14-2003, 07:14 PM   #54
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hmm,

most aftermarket remote start systems can learn tach off the tach or coil or fuel injector wire. the coil wire works best with the DEI units.

b136 is on the ecu connector.

you should purchase a subaru wire service manual for your wrx. it's good for you!

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So wait, can any of these (including the wires at the ECU), be used for RPM sensing and, which is the B136 connector?
thx,
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Old 04-14-2003, 11:13 PM   #55
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Hmm, well when i had my system installed in my old 89 prelude (auto), I didn't need a tach wire, it worked automatically. Anyway to tell if this will be the case with my scooby? Also, since I don't have a wire manual right now (nor do I know where to get one...although I am interested), which connector is it?
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Old 04-15-2003, 01:57 AM   #56
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it popped when I was just driving, no remote start.
nothing else tapped in, just the neutral wire, and it's diode isolated.
Out of curiousity, what happens when the ECU fuse pops while you're driving?

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ps--I have (obviously) not had that problem, but I didn't get my tach wire there...
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Old 04-15-2003, 02:00 AM   #57
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Hmm, well when i had my system installed in my old 89 prelude (auto), I didn't need a tach wire, it worked automatically. Anyway to tell if this will be the case with my scooby? Also, since I don't have a wire manual right now (nor do I know where to get one...although I am interested), which connector is it?
thx,
Chris
You can use voltage sensing, where the brain will measure the car's voltage, and when the car starts, thus turning the alternator and bumping up voltage from 12 to 14 volts, it will assume the car is running. Not a particularly good idea, though. I don't know of any pro shops that do that as a rule, though some lazy installers are known to do it.

Which connector are you referring to? There is no other connection for voltage sense, if that's what you're getting at.

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Old 04-15-2003, 05:26 AM   #58
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Haha not a voltage connector, I meant connector b136 on the ECU. I want to hook it up to a tach wire in my car, and I heard the uncommon wires from the coils go into there, so I wanted to know which of the connectors is b136. Thx for the info on the no tach wire RPM sensing, I was curious
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Old 04-15-2003, 10:39 AM   #59
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24 pin connector on the ecu... find the colors of the individual coils and you will find the connector.

Tach : Green Pin 9
Ignition Coil #1: Yellow Pin 24
Ignition Coil #2: Yellow/Black Pin 23
Ignition Coil #3: Yellow/Red Pin 22
Ignition Coil #4: Yellow/Green Pin 21

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Haha not a voltage connector, I meant connector b136 on the ECU. I want to hook it up to a tach wire in my car, and I heard the uncommon wires from the coils go into there, so I wanted to know which of the connectors is b136. Thx for the info on the no tach wire RPM sensing, I was curious
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Old 04-15-2003, 12:47 PM   #60
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Ok, thx, just one more thing to clear up, the actual "tach wire" can't be used though, the voltage is too low, right? So I can just tap the "tach sensing" wire of the RS system into any one of the coil wires running into the ECU, right? That is how I read the previous posts, and I just want to confirm.
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Old 04-15-2003, 02:08 PM   #61
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yes,

that's correct, you can use one of the coil wires for your tach wire as well. you can grab it at the ecu, or the engine harness in the driver side dash or at the coil harness under the windshield washer reservoir.

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Ok, thx, just one more thing to clear up, the actual "tach wire" can't be used though, the voltage is too low, right? So I can just tap the "tach sensing" wire of the RS system into any one of the coil wires running into the ECU, right? That is how I read the previous posts, and I just want to confirm.
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Old 04-15-2003, 08:58 PM   #62
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Green C9 off the ECU works fine for my Ultrastarters alarm/remote start.
Learned it just fine in seconds.
YMMV
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Old 04-18-2003, 01:32 PM   #63
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Ok, now that I am going to install this beast, I had a few last minute q's:

Door Trigger: yellow -- keyless module* (negative trigger)
Dome supervision: same as door trigger
Trunk trigger: yellow/red -- OEM alarm harness**

ok, my instructions say to use a relay on the Dome supervision wire, however, is that necessary since it's the same as the door trigger wire? Also, what does the above mentioned trunk trigger do, since we don't have electronic trunk popping?
-Chris (almost ready to start install )
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Old 04-18-2003, 01:49 PM   #64
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The trunk trigger is for the trunk switch. It sets off the alarm when someone opens your trunk.

I think you should get a trunk pop kit and install that too!

I didn't use any of the keyless entry module connections in my car since I removed it.
I hooked up everything off the integrated module since I have the Factory Service Wiring book and it was easy cause everything is in the same place.

I think I used one connection off the Security module plug and the parking brake switch off the Daytime Running Lights wiring harness.

I guess maybe I should make my version of that one page cheat sheet.


PS Here! http://techinfo.subaru.com/html/ixSe...preza&pid=1443
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Old 04-18-2003, 02:01 PM   #65
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The trunk trigger is for the trunk switch. It sets off the alarm when someone opens your trunk.

I think you should get a trunk pop kit and install that too!

I didn't use any of the keyless entry module connections in my car since I removed it.
I hooked up everything off the integrated module since I have the Factory Service Wiring book and it was easy cause everything is in the same place.

I think I used one connection off the Security module plug and the parking brake switch off the Daytime Running Lights wiring harness.

I guess maybe I should make my version of that one page cheat sheet.


PS Here! http://techinfo.subaru.com/html/ixSe...preza&pid=1443
Thanks for the info! I do want a trunk pop system, I think I'll do that next time I come home from school for a weekend And ya, you should make a cheat sheet! The link you gave me is awesome, except it's pretty expensive to access the data. I think I'll just go with the previously mentioned wires, even if it does take a bit longer
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Old 04-18-2003, 03:28 PM   #66
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The keyless module is separate from the keyless entry brain. The keyless module is in all imprezas, whether they have keyless entry or not. The part you can remove, which is not in imprezas with factory keyless, is just below the vent on the driver side of the steering wheel.

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Old 04-18-2003, 04:05 PM   #67
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Still wondering... do i need to use a relay with the dome light illumination? or is that just a trigger? (my alarm sys puts out -500mA on the dome light) And, for the things coming off of the Keyless modules, do I clip the wires, or just tap into them? I would imagine I should just tap into them, but I want to be sure. Also, I noticed the box labled keyless entry system above the fusebox (not the one from the wiring guide on pg.1), should I unplug that, or just leave it as is. I unplugged the OEM alarm behind the glovebox, so I'm assuming that's all I have to do to disable everything...right?
Thanks!
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Old 04-19-2003, 01:52 AM   #68
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Still wondering... do i need to use a relay with the dome light illumination? or is that just a trigger? (my alarm sys puts out -500mA on the dome light) And, for the things coming off of the Keyless modules, do I clip the wires, or just tap into them? I would imagine I should just tap into them, but I want to be sure. Also, I noticed the box labled keyless entry system above the fusebox (not the one from the wiring guide on pg.1), should I unplug that, or just leave it as is. I unplugged the OEM alarm behind the glovebox, so I'm assuming that's all I have to do to disable everything...right?
Thanks!
-Chris
I don't know for sure if you have to use a relay, but I did anyway just to be safe. If you have a multi-meter, you can check the current draw to see if it is less than 500mA. I don't think I used a relay on my RS, though...

Yes, just tap into the wires, don't cut them.

You don't have to unplug the keyless module, just remember that it will not disarm your aftermarket alarm if you keep using the factory remotes.

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Old 04-19-2003, 04:42 AM   #69
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The link you gave me is awesome, except it's pretty expensive to access the data.
$20 will get you a weekend of downloads.
Pretty cheap for all $300 worth of factory service manuals.
The wiring guide for the european WRX has been posted before.
try here
http://www.northursalia.com/m...ng/wiring.html

Or look through this thread
http://i-club.com/forums/showthread....threadid=13961
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Old 04-19-2003, 05:28 AM   #70
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Thanks for answering my stupid questions guys, I got it all installed today, it was actually a bit harder than my old prelude, with all the other wires to deal with. No worries though, works great, and I went with a nice super bright blue LED up by the clock.
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Old 06-13-2003, 06:56 PM   #71
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bump.

Just wanted to keep this awesome thread alive!
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Old 01-02-2004, 06:11 PM   #72
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Bump to see if anyones used or installed the Rallystart system yet?
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Old 01-03-2004, 11:38 AM   #73
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Rallystart Car Starter
Subaruwrxparts.com is proud to introduce RallyStarter, a remote engine starting system exclusively for Subaru vehicles. Manufactured by Omega Research & Development, RallyStarter is part of a legendary family of security products. Since 1970, Omega has been designing and manufacturing aftermarket vehicle security and remote start systems. RallyStarter is a state-of-the-art system that has been installed and road-proven in thousands of Subarus since 2002. It is compatible with all automatic 2000-2004 Subaru models, uses the existing factory remotes, and delivers the rugged dependability Subaru owners expect. Regular list price is $500, but we are offering this at a fantastic discounted price of only $200! You can pay that much for an aftermarket starter, and still have to have two remotes, while Rallystart uses the factory remotes!


The only remote starter designed exclusively for Subaru
“Plug-n-Start” interconnect harness eliminates complicated wiring for a quick installation
Compatible with all 2000-04 Subaru models - Step-by-step illustrated instruction manual
Interfaces with existing factory remotes

Please note: this system is designed for automatic transmission equipped vehicles. It may work with manual transmission vechicles, but the instruction manuals do not cover this, nor will Subaru of America, Subaruwrxparts.com, or Omega will support nor cover any damage or issues caused by installing this on a manual transmission equipped vehicle.

Price:$200.00
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Old 01-03-2004, 12:37 PM   #74
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That system looks awesome... I'll look into it some more for sure, although I already have my remote start system installed.
-Chris
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Old 01-04-2004, 12:02 AM   #75
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'...and still have to have two remotes, while Rallystart uses the factory remotes!'

this statement is partially true for some vehicles. from the desc. it
didn't say if it was compatible with the subaru security upgrade
system. typically you will need to disable the subaru security
upgrade in order to install an aftermarket alarm/remote starter,
otherwise you will need to carry 2 remotes.

for a little more than $200 you can get an aftermarket alarm &
remote starter with much better range, 2 way lcd capabilities, &
in some cases designed for manual transmission vehicles. also
most aftermarket alarm/remote starters can be enhanced with
additional sensors such as digital tilt, glass, motion etc.

and if you decide to sell or trade in your vehicle, you can remove
the aftermarket alarm/remote start system and install it in your
next vehicle. unless you happen to buy another compatible
vehicle to install the rallystart system.

the rallystart sounds good for owners who just want an easy way
to remote start their car, but do some research before spending
your hard earned $!
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