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Old 02-04-2003, 07:53 PM   #1
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Hi,

Just wanted to know if having you name and deposits in at two different dealers will cause a problem?

I got a call from my dealer and he said it's a big problem!!

Any opinions?
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Old 02-04-2003, 09:48 PM   #2
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For Starters, putting down deposits at this stage doesn't mean as much as it will in several weeks when the prices are announced and the orders are finalized. Still, you are basically reserving 2 cars from Subaru at this point. Unless you plan to buy both, I'd cancel the deposit on the more expensive or longer wait car as soon as you have some details.
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Old 02-04-2003, 11:10 PM   #3
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First off, I've learned not to trust many car dealers. That said, your dealer probably said it's a big problem because there's a risk he's going to lose his sale! Tell him you're going to keep deposits elsewhere, and if he doesn't like it, he can make you the best offer to keep you with them. Sounds like he's going to raise the price over MSRP to me.
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Old 02-05-2003, 05:04 AM   #4
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Default Well actually you *may* have a problem...

Its not uncommon for manufacturers to watch for dup orders, particuarly during the early runs of high demand cars. Chrysler did it on the Prowler and Viper, as did Honda on the S2000 that I know of first hand. With these cars as soon as the manufacturer saw a dup order, both orders were cancelled and the dealers notified. You then had to re-order one, and get back in line...

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Old 02-05-2003, 10:32 AM   #5
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The dealer in Augusta, Maine told me that Subaru was watching dealers closely for placing "fake" orders just to get vehichles. He said the fine was they would not get any STi's with the exception of verifiable orders already placed. If this is a true statement, then that may have something to do with what your dealer told you about having two deposits down. I believe that your name is included in the order placed with the distributor.
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Old 02-05-2003, 03:11 PM   #6
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There has been a thread on this perviously but I don't have the link. Someone tried this and had their second order rejected. IIRC this is what happened. If the delaer actually puts in a sold order your information goes to the local/region SOA distributor. They will only allow one per customer. Now if they aren't actually putting in sold orders they might let you do that. I am not sure how useful that would be.
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Old 02-05-2003, 03:27 PM   #7
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since the cars are being allocated to the dealers based on their past sales performance (there is a "score" for each dealer based on WRX & overall Subaru sales, initially based on sales up to Jan 1 2003, then updated each month) I don't see how it matters one bit how many "orders" the dealers have told SoA they have.

it's also not impossible that someone might actually be buying two STi's and have their deposits down with different dealers for a good reason (desire to get one car quickly, then wait for the other a bit, paying at/over MSRP for one car, less for the other, waiting to get the second one when a current lease ends, etc.).

I have also been told by my dealer & heard from others that the dealers will not get the vehicles they "ordered" but what gets doled out to them by their regional offices. I'm sure the regions will attempt to fill the requested orders of the dealers in a rational way, but all this hype over "I placed my order" seems silly. Subaru isn't going to give you blow-by-blow tracking of your vehicle as it's ordered/spec'ed/scheduled/built/trucked/shipped/trucked/delievered to the dealer like Mini does anyway.

I don't have a deposit down but am on the waiting list & am 100% unconcered about it. I'll get a call from the dealer when they finally have official pricing & let him know what color combination I'm looking for, then he'll call when he has one coming in that way.




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Old 02-05-2003, 04:34 PM   #8
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since the cars are being allocated to the dealers based on their past sales performance
Where is the FACTUAL basis of this comment?

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Old 02-05-2003, 06:27 PM   #9
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If the delaer actually puts in a sold order your information goes to the local/region SOA distributor
That's exactly how the dealer I'm working with handled my order. He didn't say anything about duplicate orders, but after he told me he was sending my order to regional, I figured the double deposit thing wouldn't work (at least not in the same region).
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Old 02-05-2003, 07:37 PM   #10
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Thanks everybody for the advice,

I talked to the 2nd dealer and SOA and they said its not a problem! I guess my other dealer just wants the sale and I don't blame him except for the fact that he went about it the wrong way!! He should have kissed my A@# to make sure he gets my sale rather than threaten me with lies!

Thanks again,

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Old 02-06-2003, 12:22 PM   #11
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since the cars are being allocated to the dealers based on their past sales performance.



Where is the FACTUAL basis of this comment?

Christian
three different dealers - one in the Pac NW, one in SE Michigan & one in NY. they have all said that they are being allocated vehicles by their SoA sales regions based on their previous sales & do not get to specifically choose the vehicles they receive.

the could have all gotten together & came up with the same story to tell us, but it seems unlikely.

like I said above, given that there are apparently no factory-installed options on the cars anyway & a very limited selection of colors, dealers will likely get the cars that their customers have expressed interest in based on SoA requesting a specific mix of colors from FHI. it might mean if you want a white car (my guess for the most rare) you'll end up waiting a longer time (even if you're high on your dealer's list) than someone who wants a blue one (clearly the most common color).





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Old 02-06-2003, 12:53 PM   #12
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Originally posted by Chin

since the cars are being allocated to the dealers based on their past sales performance.



Where is the FACTUAL basis of this comment?

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three different dealers


Again, where is the FACTUAL basis of this? Three dealers "heresay" does not a fact make. The force is of no use here, young one. I have heard quite different, but as it is for you, this was from a dealer (quite a connected one at that). Dealers, in general, are as informed as us.

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Old 02-06-2003, 02:31 PM   #13
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Dealers, in general, are as informed as us.
In most cases, I would say far less so. I had to point my dealer to the official Subaru STi page several days after the Detroit announcement. They were still sitting around, waiting for official word!!
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Old 02-06-2003, 05:56 PM   #14
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Originally posted by Chin

since the cars are being allocated to the dealers based on their past sales performance.



Where is the FACTUAL basis of this comment?

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three different dealers


Again, where is the FACTUAL basis of this? Three dealers "heresay" does not a fact make. The force is of no use here, young one. I have heard quite different, but as it is for you, this was from a dealer (quite a connected one at that). Dealers, in general, are as informed as us.

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Christan,,,well that"heresay" has evidently traveled thru the whole of the Mid-A region.Cars are going to be allocated by previous WRX sales.This has been discussed from Pa to N.Virginia and also in this forum.
The subject is old news,SOA had a dealer meeting here 2 weeks ago,,gave them some (not all) the info on the Sti.
My guy,the dealer,was there.This dealer is also on the SOA advisory council and has been rock solid(although late at times) with info concerning the WRX and STi.
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I saw the memo from regional Subaru HQ and it very specifically stated that STi's will be allocated based on past sales at each dealership. WRX sales are weighted more heavily than other Subaru vehicle sales.
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Old 02-07-2003, 09:51 AM   #16
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I saw the memo from regional Subaru HQ
Now that is a little closer to evidence. I still don't buy the whole "everyone knows it" argument as it is just like this board... Someone heard something, posts it, everyone argues, but many walk away not really understanding what is being said. Anyway, we will see as I really don't know myself either way.

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Default get this..

I emailed my local subaru dealer about when the STi will arrive and about pricing and this is what they said...

" Hi Aaron,
I received your email this morning. How is everything going? The Sti models are due to arrive around the end of June. We probably will receive three or four at first. Subaru has not yet sent us definitive pricing information. Whatever the MSRP turns out to be we will at first be putting a $3000 addendum on the vehicles. We are now taking $5000 non-refundable deposits.
How is your WRX doing? Let me know if you are still interested in the STi or if you want to wait."

What a load of crap! These greedy bastads!
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Now that is a little closer to evidence. I still don't buy the whole "everyone knows it" argument as it is just like this board... Someone heard something, posts it, everyone argues, but many walk away not really understanding what is being said. Anyway, we will see as I really don't know myself either way.

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Well Christain,,I guess we are all lying to you as all the dealers seem to be lying to us.
Read my lips! The dealer i refer to is a friend of mine,he owns the place,,I was told by him that they will get 4 cars to start,and that it was all dependent on previous sales,I was told back in OCT that i can have one at MSRP or below if i want one.He called me to see if i was still interested and to update me on the status ofthe STi after the dealer meeting.
But wait there's more,,Ive only known the guy fr like 10 years,he was just spreading "heresay".Nevermind your right,," everyone knows it",,, but you!
Go away kid ya bother me;
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Old 02-08-2003, 02:23 PM   #19
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The dealer i refer to is a friend of mine,he owns the place,,I was told by him that they will get 4 cars to start
Oh, now your dealer has inside information that nobody else has? How does he know how many cars he is going to get? Why doesn't "my connection" know?

Anyway, this is getting more than a little away from a conversation. Like I said, a memo would make me believe this a little more, but one man's word is not. ...and I'll go away as this is getting me knowhere anyway, kiddie.

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Guys, take this for what it's worth as there is no "proof" of anything. I talked to one of our regional reps a few days ago concerning the STi and he said:

*Never heard anything about past WRX sales affecting STi allocations(not saying it isn't true, he just didn't hear or read anything about it )

*First STi allocation will be 300 cars nationwide which means getting one of the first ones will be tough. This is NOT due to SOA wanting to keep the STi "rare" or anything like that, it is simply due to the fact that Fuji just does not have the time or space to build more US-Spec WRX STi's. Production will most likely go up but will be very slow starting out. Your dealer should consider themselves lucky if they get ONE STi to start, let alone multiple ones.

*SOA "regions" are keeping a very close eye on "sold orders" and he actually read me the names of people who have sold orders with us already over the phone. And a sold order is taking a check from the buyer, actually filling out the sales form and sending it and a copy of the check in to SOA. Matter of fact, SOA just called are sales manager to confirm the color of wheel one of our guys wanted since it was not specified on the sheet. A salesman taking your money or check and putting it in his desk drawer and writing your name on a list does not count as a sold order He did not say anything about multiple sold orders from the same person but I would guess if your name is on the list twice, it may throw up a red flag. Just find the best deal and go with it.

*The annual dealer meeting is the third week in may I believe so don't look for the STi until after that, but probably shortly after.

Nothing most of you didn't already know, just thought I'd mention it.

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hopefully your deposits are refundable...i know of a dealer around here, and deposits are non-refundable
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