Fog lights may cost you big time.

metoo · 02-05-2003, 11:50 AM

I was looking at the picture posted in this thread.
http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show...74#post3306874

It appears that the foglight molding on the WRX is built into the bumper. This would lead me to beleive that there are no fog light covers on the STi. I think they are molded in too.

Many people don't know that the black areas on the 2002-2003 WRX bumpers are just unpainted areas of a one-piece bumper. I think we have the same sort of thing here. So if you want factory foglights on an STi, you may have to swap the bumper and all.

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robmarch · 02-05-2003, 12:54 PM

from that picture, the fog light covers and side bubble things both look like add-ons to the standard bumper to me.

metoo · 02-05-2003, 02:34 PM

I'm paying closest attention to the outer top corner of the would-be fog covers of the STi and the same area of the WRX. It looks a little too clean. Let's assume they are removeable. How would they mount over the fog lights?

At even an in-person close look at a 2002 WRX, you would swear that the black fog lamp area and that black trim behind the license plate were separate pieces from the bumper, but it is really all one big piece of plastic. I think we have the same situation here. I guess were need to ask our Japanese friends.

XT6Wagon · 02-05-2003, 02:42 PM

I'm quite sure that the STi has fog lamp covers.... as you can order a fog lamp kit from STi that looks kinda like the base WRX fogs, only larger diamiter lenses

prost893 · 02-05-2003, 03:06 PM

Please bear in mind that those pics are press pics. That means they are most likely doctored in photoshop to appear smooth and appealing. Also remember that the JDM STi has foglights as an option. Yes, the USDM bumper will be different, but the foglight covers appear to be the same. It only seems the lights themselves will be different. Since it is the internal bumper reinforcement that seems different I don't have any reason to think the covers themselves are different. And yes, those side blisters are an add on piece to the basic bumper piece. If you get the JDM front lip the side piece with the blisters is replaced.

C-daleRidr · 02-05-2003, 04:03 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by metoo
I'm paying closest attention to the outer top corner of the would-be fog covers of the STi and the same area of the WRX. It looks a little too clean. Let's assume they are removeable. How would they mount over the fog lights?

At even an in-person close look at a 2002 WRX, you would swear that the black fog lamp area and that black trim behind the license plate were separate pieces from the bumper, but it is really all one big piece of plastic. I think we have the same situation here. I guess were need to ask our Japanese friends.

Remember, too, that the new fogs are recessed into the bumper, they don't look like they protrude like they have before. This would tell me that it's entirely possible to have a clean looking fog cover that matches the lines of the car and does not have to bulge out to cover the lights.

satrya · 02-05-2003, 04:57 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by metoo
At even an in-person close look at a 2002 WRX, you would swear that the black fog lamp area and that black trim behind the license plate were separate pieces from the bumper, but it is really all one big piece of plastic. I think we have the same situation here. I guess were need to ask our Japanese friends.

Aside from the obvious differences, the MY2002 seems to have the same black trim around the fog lamp area, no matter what version of Impreza it is (be it STi, Spec C, WRX NA, WRX NB,...) worldwide. On the other hand, comparing the JDM new impreza with the USDM new impreza, their fog light trim differs. The USDM, getting a projector fog, has a fog trim that is different from the JDM that gets a larger reflector fog.

To me, that could mean two things:
(1) The (MY2004) USDM WRX, USDM STi, JDM WRX and JDM STi shares the same general bumper cover, and the different fog trims are add-on pieces.
(2) The USDM WRX, JDM WRX, and the STi gets entirely different bumper covers, with the unique fog trim and/or covers integrated.

Considering that the only visible difference (to me at least) in the front bumper area around the fogs between the MY2004 USDM WRX and the JDM counterpart is on the size of the fog trim; it would make manufacturing sense that the trim is removable. Unless there is some other compelling reason, it would be silly for Subaru to come up with nearly identical bumper covers instead of coming up with a general bumper cover and various fog trim and/or covers. I'd vote for #1.

spburns74 · 02-05-2003, 06:40 PM

This may sound really weird, but I think it would look really cool with the covers on and having the fog/driving lights turned on as well.......so the light would shine out the verticle slits. That's of course IF it has fog/driving light capabilities. I must say though. If those are covers, I am not seeing anything that keeps the average shmoe from coming by and just popping them off the car.......

MaxGrip

kage · 02-05-2003, 06:53 PM

The use of red on emergency vehicles was a misguided attempt at visibility based upon an incomplete understanding of optical physics. Red spectrum light is less likely to scatter. If you view a red light and a blue light of equal intensity over the same distance, the blue light will look blurrier. This is true in daylight or night conditions. Red objects however do tend to look black at night. This is because you are using the light detecting portion of your eyes, and not the color percepting portion.

Anyway I won't pretend to have a complete understanding of the physics of this subject; the bottom line is that all of this is moot when discussing internal instrument lighting in a car. They can make it purple for all that it would matter.

satrya · 02-05-2003, 07:03 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by kage
The use of red on emergency vehicles was a misguided attempt at visibility based upon an incomplete understanding of optical physics. Red spectrum light is less likely to scatter. If you view a red light and a blue light of equal intensity over the same distance, the blue light will look blurrier. This is true in daylight or night conditions. Red objects however do tend to look black at night. This is because you are using the light detecting portion of your eyes, and not the color percepting portion.

Anyway I won't pretend to have a complete understanding of the physics of this subject; the bottom line is that all of this is moot when discussing internal instrument lighting in a car. They can make it purple for all that it would matter.

Which post are you responding to? I'm at a loss as to what this has to do with the bumper cover.

anotherB4 · 02-05-2003, 11:03 PM

Well, they are removeable on the JDM. You loose the little extensions and "canards" when you remove the fairing, but each to his own.

jsemmler · 02-06-2003, 12:02 AM

the license plate mount on the two bumpers is most definately different... since that area is not a separate peice from the main bumper cover, i would guess that they are different parts... assuming that those are the "final/production" parts on the cars of course..

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02-05-2003, 11:50 AM	#1
metoo Scooby Guru Member#: 4764 Join Date: Mar 2001 Chapter/Region: TXIC Location: Houston Vehicle: 2004 STi sold :( forizzle	Fog lights may cost you big time. I was looking at the picture posted in this thread. http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show...74#post3306874 It appears that the foglight molding on the WRX is built into the bumper. This would lead me to beleive that there are no fog light covers on the STi. I think they are molded in too. Many people don't know that the black areas on the 2002-2003 WRX bumpers are just unpainted areas of a one-piece bumper. I think we have the same sort of thing here. So if you want factory foglights on an STi, you may have to swap the bumper and all. * Registered users of the site do not see these ads.

02-05-2003, 12:54 PM	#2
robmarch Scooby Specialist Member#: 18713 Join Date: May 2002 Chapter/Region: MAIC Location: Time is the Enemy Vehicle: 06 CRV 04 STi	from that picture, the fog light covers and side bubble things both look like add-ons to the standard bumper to me.

02-05-2003, 02:34 PM	#3
metoo Scooby Guru Member#: 4764 Join Date: Mar 2001 Chapter/Region: TXIC Location: Houston Vehicle: 2004 STi sold :( forizzle	I'm paying closest attention to the outer top corner of the would-be fog covers of the STi and the same area of the WRX. It looks a little too clean. Let's assume they are removeable. How would they mount over the fog lights? At even an in-person close look at a 2002 WRX, you would swear that the black fog lamp area and that black trim behind the license plate were separate pieces from the bumper, but it is really all one big piece of plastic. I think we have the same situation here. I guess were need to ask our Japanese friends.

02-05-2003, 02:42 PM	#4
XT6Wagon Scooby Specialist Member#: 524 Join Date: Nov 1999 Location: WA Vehicle: 04 STi White	I'm quite sure that the STi has fog lamp covers.... as you can order a fog lamp kit from STi that looks kinda like the base WRX fogs, only larger diamiter lenses

02-05-2003, 03:06 PM	#5
prost893 Scooby Newbie Member#: 29710 Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Atlanta, GA Vehicle: 2004 WRX STi WRB / Gold	Please bear in mind that those pics are press pics. That means they are most likely doctored in photoshop to appear smooth and appealing. Also remember that the JDM STi has foglights as an option. Yes, the USDM bumper will be different, but the foglight covers appear to be the same. It only seems the lights themselves will be different. Since it is the internal bumper reinforcement that seems different I don't have any reason to think the covers themselves are different. And yes, those side blisters are an add on piece to the basic bumper piece. If you get the JDM front lip the side piece with the blisters is replaced.

02-05-2003, 06:40 PM	#8
spburns74 Scooby Newbie Member#: 24608 Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: NH	This may sound really weird, but I think it would look really cool with the covers on and having the fog/driving lights turned on as well.......so the light would shine out the verticle slits. That's of course IF it has fog/driving light capabilities. I must say though. If those are covers, I am not seeing anything that keeps the average shmoe from coming by and just popping them off the car....... MaxGrip

02-05-2003, 06:53 PM	#9
kage Scooby Newbie Member#: 25101 Join Date: Sep 2002 Chapter/Region: HIIC Location: www.luanainn.com Vehicle: 2002 PSM WRX Wagon 1999 Twilight Blue Miata	The use of red on emergency vehicles was a misguided attempt at visibility based upon an incomplete understanding of optical physics. Red spectrum light is less likely to scatter. If you view a red light and a blue light of equal intensity over the same distance, the blue light will look blurrier. This is true in daylight or night conditions. Red objects however do tend to look black at night. This is because you are using the light detecting portion of your eyes, and not the color percepting portion. Anyway I won't pretend to have a complete understanding of the physics of this subject; the bottom line is that all of this is moot when discussing internal instrument lighting in a car. They can make it purple for all that it would matter.

02-05-2003, 11:03 PM	#11
anotherB4 Scooby Specialist Member#: 6120 Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Tokyo Vehicle: BE5B AVOed B4-RSK Sorta White	Well, they are removeable on the JDM. You loose the little extensions and "canards" when you remove the fairing, but each to his own.

02-06-2003, 12:02 AM	#12
jsemmler Scooby Newbie Member#: 16379 Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Rochester, NY Vehicle: 2004 STi WRB/Gold	the license plate mount on the two bumpers is most definately different... since that area is not a separate peice from the main bumper cover, i would guess that they are different parts... assuming that those are the "final/production" parts on the cars of course..