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Old 02-06-2003, 05:57 PM   #1
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Thumbs up Test drove a Honda Civic Hybrid today!

Wow what a cool car! I am looking for something that gets decent fuel mileage for a family car my wifes Astro is killing us on gas and is getting up there in miles 99@90,000miles.I decided to check out the Hybrids and Honda seemed to be more of a normal car over the Toyota plus it has a whopping 20more hp Any way we took out one with a CVT trans..very different than the regular auto.No shifting just a steady decrease in rpm ,man was that a smooth deal.Power believe it or not was pretty good considering its weight/horsepower again on the highway when I hammered it ,the rpms just increased ,no shifting.Its no rocket but again this is a family sedan.MPG is what really got me interested in this car ..40-50mpg alot nicer than the 9-17mpg I`m getting in the van and considering the family taxi does 17-20k a year.I`m hagling with the guy right now over my trade in price so well see what happens.I asked the guy what it costs to replace the batteries and he said about $1200 bucks but the batteries come with a 8yr/100000mile warranty.The car also gets you a $2000 federal tax cut for Hybrid vehicles which will be nice on next years returns.

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Old 02-06-2003, 05:59 PM   #2
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its funny that old civics get 40-50mpg and now they have a hybrid that does the same thing.
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Old 02-06-2003, 06:00 PM   #3
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@ teh Civic.

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Old 02-06-2003, 06:02 PM   #4
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I remember watching the Car and Driver test drive of the Honda Insight on TV. They had that little hybrid car burning rubber from stop signs!

I've actually seen quite a few Insights on the road.
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Old 02-06-2003, 06:02 PM   #5
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its funny that old civics get 40-50mpg and now they have a hybrid that does the same thing.
What "old civics" get that kinda mileage?

The highest MPG used to be the metro at 49MPG highway...and that was like 10 years ago
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Old 02-06-2003, 06:05 PM   #6
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Honda Civic VX was its name I belive. I know it came in hatch form, but not sure if you could get a coupe or sedan version
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Old 02-06-2003, 06:08 PM   #7
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the civic CRX was the first to break the 50mpg mark and that was when...89?
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Old 02-06-2003, 06:12 PM   #8
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Today's car are heavier and supposidly safer, so as we add the weight we have to improve the technology to match the best in MPG of old. My wife wants something with good MPG. I'm thinking RX-8, she thinks hybrid.
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Old 02-06-2003, 06:15 PM   #9
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Teh Insight has r0x0r!

Instant torque.
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Old 02-06-2003, 06:16 PM   #10
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Well I think the little cars you guys are taking about used to get great mpg.I had a Mazda GLC,remember those I would usually get over 40mpg no problem but the car was a freakin beer can.The Honda Insight Hybrid which is not much bigger than the Metro gets over 70mpg.I needed something that seats 5 though luckily my rats are still young.I just got off the phone with the dealer again and they are beating me down bigtime I wanted to get $9000 for a trade in and they dont want to give me over $8500 so were playing phone tag

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Old 02-06-2003, 06:32 PM   #11
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Doesn't Honda have a hybrid Civic out already or soon to be out? If so you should look into that, it's bigger then the Insight and plus it looks like a stock 4 dr civic. I'd rather have a hybrid civic over the hybrid insight.
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Old 02-06-2003, 06:40 PM   #12
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Old 02-06-2003, 06:46 PM   #13
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Honda also has a fully natural gas powered Civic coming out in the US this year for only $20,000.
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Old 02-06-2003, 06:59 PM   #14
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I test drove the hybrid CVT Honda too. But I was complaining the whole way though Like went I was flooring it on the highway, and I pointed out that it was only getting less than 30mpg on its mpg display even though it isn't going any faster. And I asked the guy if I can get HID on it (nope), and that it takes a while to start from a stop because the engine actually turns off when you stop. You step on the gas when the light is green, 1 second later, it starts moving.

Its neat though. But I'd wait for the final derivative of the dualnote
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Old 02-06-2003, 07:09 PM   #15
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and that it takes a while to start from a stop because the engine actually turns off when you stop.
It uses electric power to accelerate and gas power only on highways. I don't see why there would be a hesitation? Like I said, Car and Driver got their test model to do burn-outs from a stand-still.
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Old 02-06-2003, 07:11 PM   #16
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there's a 'miser' mode that effectively turns off the engine during a stop to save even more fuel.
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Old 02-06-2003, 07:12 PM   #17
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there's a 'miser' mode that effectively turns off the engine during a stop to save even more fuel.
But it doesn't use the gasoline engine to accelerate... only electricity. This means the gas engine can remain off even while accelerating.
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Old 02-06-2003, 07:19 PM   #18
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even if it is so, would an electric motor be instantious, considering the inertia of all the parts? Would it be as powerful as a petro engine?

But who the hell knows. All I know is it is slow to start.
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Old 02-06-2003, 11:00 PM   #19
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whats funny about the Prius is it gets better city mileage than highway.
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whats funny about the Prius is it gets better city mileage than highway.
That's because the electric motors are used in the city (during acceleration). The batteries are then charged automatically when you brake. These cars are excellent in stop and go traffic because they don't idle like regular cars, and an IC engine uses the most gas when it's idling.

I did my engineering research on hybrid vehicles last year, so I've learned quite a bit about them. It's a very promising technology. I'll see if I can find an electronic copy of my report... I'll post it if I do. I had powerpoint slides and everything.
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Old 02-06-2003, 11:12 PM   #21
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its funny that old civics get 40-50mpg and now they have a hybrid that does the same thing.
You also have to note that the "old" civics weren't SULEV emissions status cars though.
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Old 02-06-2003, 11:12 PM   #22
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Just FYI, I can get 40 MPG easy on long highway trips in my 89 Corolla. I think highway miles is what the guy was talking about on the Civic 10 years ago.
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then why does the honda hybrid have better mileage on highway?
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whats funny about the Prius is it gets better city mileage than highway.
Yup. We have one. Its great!
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then why does the honda hybrid have better mileage on highway?
BJamerican pretty much summed it up, but the prius is built to be a better city car. You can operate off the electric motor alone whereas the insight they are always working in conjunction. I'm not sure about the civic though. It might be more like the prius since its IC engine is larger.

A fun game to play in the prius is to see how long you can go without triggering the IC engine. If you are very gingerly (and have the space and traffic to play around safely) you can accelerate from light to light without engaging the IC engine for quite a while. usually up to about 24 mph.

some interesting facts:
IF you run out of gas, the prius can operate on battery alone.

the prius' electric motor has ~250 ft/lbs of torque available at 0 RPM.

The prius' electric motor has about a 3000 RPM redline. (not sure of the IC motor though.
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