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Old 02-11-2003, 01:21 PM   #1
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Greetings,

I'm a fellow Car enthusies coming over from bimmerforums (well, and ricecop forums)...

I just wanted to chime in with my support and admiration for Subaru... I must say, I expected the WRX STi to be something, but I never expected that I'd every actually want to own one... (yeah, I'm a bimmer snob:-P)

I'm blown away though... congrats to Subie for that. What really gets me is the DCCD honestly - I was afraid that the WRX was going to be too front-biased for my taste (yes, even perfectly neutral is more front-baised than I like... give me RWD or give me death:-P)... the idea that I'll be able to select neutral for an AutoX (MWCSCC) and then dial up some rear bias for the drive home? *drool*...

and of course, 300/300 aren't numbers to snease at:-P...

they styling is... well, not my preference, but I do love the WRX's fender flares and It could grow on me...

I think the only problem subaru is going to have with the STi is not enough production capability... I have a feeling that there are going to be a lot of people like me who find themselves stepping "down" the car latter (price wise) to get in a car that is 10 grand less than we expected, but has all more performance than we dreamed.

I dunno... we'll see.

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Old 02-11-2003, 01:41 PM   #2
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I think the only problem subaru is going to have with the STi is not enough production capability... I have a feeling that there are going to be a lot of people like me who find themselves stepping "down" the car latter (price wise) to get in a car that is 10 grand less than we expected, but has all more performance than we dreamed.

Lets not say things like this...
SOA, if you're reading... anything over 30k is too much!!!




Btw, bmrboy325is.... I'm driving a 97 M3 coupe now...
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Old 02-11-2003, 02:00 PM   #3
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bmrboy---I wouldn't be too quick to chuck your bimmer, especially if you like it. They are darn good cars, very reliable, wonderful motor and transmission, good handling, and rear wheel drive is big fun. You might want to wait until the dust settles on the new STI until you can look at it objectively, figuring in the cost, fun factor, etc. I'm not sure as a daily driver, if that is your intent, it is worth it to go through the hassle of switching to the STI. Just my thoughts. I have an old BMW and a WRX, and like them both, but they are very different cars, with very different approaches. Is your BMW the current body style? If so, that coupe is a beautiful car, much better styling than any Impreza in my opinion.
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Old 02-11-2003, 02:10 PM   #4
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I'm in no hurry to chuck my baby... I have a '92 325is with 170k on her (including autoX and competition miles)... she's served me very well...

But I will be graduation college in a year, and I already have a position worked out that will pay well. in another year I should be pushing 200k on my girl, and I'll really have to back off on the competitions... it'll be time to put her to pasture and get something new:-P

as I was saying, I was looking in the mid/upper 30 range... G35 coupe, 3 series (M3 if I get _really_ lucky with this job position)... but now the STi has taken center stage as my new car-of-choice...

JT... nice...:-D

one of my options actually is to buy a late-model e36 m3 and just throw an AA turbo and work out the suspension... we shall see though (I don't trust the reliablility of aftermarket turbos... period)

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Hey I too own a older BMW like OLD, but anyways I love that car and am a bimmer fan for life, but I wwant a new car and I cant afford a new Bimmer ( and If i buy a bimmer it will be the M3). I too am thinking about the STi, but not sure if I want to spend that much money, I'm 21 and still want to have fun and worry about money probs. So i'm looking into a reg WRX, but I will have to see what the price is and the OTD price before I can make any chocies.

BTW I own a 1978 Euro Spec E21, thats all custom, if you want to check it out PM me.
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Old 02-11-2003, 02:33 PM   #6
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bmrboy--wow, with 170K miles I guess you are well aware of the virtues of BMW engineering. Wonder how many turbo Imprezas are around with 170K? I just love the BMW inline six motors. I've put thousands of track miles on my BMW and it's always been very reliable. In the price range you are looking there are lots of very interesting cars that are either available now or will be--what a great position to be in. Good luck.
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Old 02-11-2003, 03:32 PM   #7
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Hey mr bimmerboy, I might be getting an 1988 BMW 325(no letter designation) soon myself. Im thinking a Dinan chip would bring the torque to a nice 192 lbft. What do you think?

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Old 02-11-2003, 05:09 PM   #8
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Thanks for the responses guys... this looks like a really good group.


Scooby, I used to drive an old E21... great little tossabouts (well, It was until I drove it into the ground). I never could forgive BMW for the vertically mounted stereo though:-P

I've heard that they can actually turn into pretty serious performance cars (euro spec? as in 323... either way I'd definately love to check it out). But Mine was a little STock US spec runabout.

OldnSlow, that brings up a good point - when I buy a car I buy them for the long term... whats the _long_ term reliablility of the STi likely to be? (in terms of other Subie's). a BMW with 70k miles on it is just broken in, a chrysler with 70k on the clock is plain broken... I've heard that Japanese cars have what it takes to last, but do you think that trend will stand even for the high-performance side of the market. I.e, what condition would my STi be in at 150k+?

I'd love to here from some of you Subaru faithful on this - whats your impressions?

Fengshui

the 1988 BMW 325 was based on the old large-displacement, low reving eta motors. This are torquey motors with almost no top end, making them easy to drive but not very fast.

The stock ETA motor puts out 124 (iirc)hp... because the engines were designed for economy and not performance, a simple performance chip does a lot, and can boost you up to around 150.

That's about it though, after that you're stuck.

if you're looking for performance in an older BMW, get one of the newer-generation i motors, these have 168hp with a 6700 redline (As opposed to a 4900 redline in the eta). chip and bolt-on mods can get that up to about 180 with little difficulty.

The e30 chasis (80's 3-series) is _awsome_ for a performance enthusiest on a budget. I'll be the first to admit that the e30's give my e36 a run for its money, despite being almost 10 years older and with 30 less Horses. The cars average around 2800lbs, and they're extremely nimble and fun to drive (I almost bought one myself). The only real problem I found with them is just (smack me, I know) they were more dated than I wanted - I was looking for a car that could still impress the ladies _and_ drive fast (and I got an insane deal on my e36) Otherwise, the e30 is a great choice.

hope that helps...

-Scott
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Old 02-11-2003, 05:25 PM   #9
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bmwboy--I can't speak to long term reliability of the STI--I'm just too new to Subarus. I will say that the STI's origin is still as a cheap econobox. My WRX is a blast but I can't see it holding up like my vintage BMW. From my BMW Club friends I know of many Bimmers with over 200K without engine rebuilds. My car is a concours 1972 Bavaria I bought NEW. Hehehe. I put a 3.5 metric mechanic motor in 15 years ago just for fun, along with other minor mods to brakes, suspension. Awesome car. Never given me a bit of trouble.
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Old 02-11-2003, 06:30 PM   #10
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My E21 is the 320i, but we have converted it to the euro spec, bumpers and such, and right now we are working on a turbo for it, I have pics of it if you want to see them. Its lowered, has 16's, race seats, 3-point harness, clears, front BBS spoiler, and alot more! Its great to see fellow BMW'ers.
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Old 02-12-2003, 12:31 AM   #11
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scoob, you have a website?

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Old 02-12-2003, 01:34 AM   #12
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Hey no I dont, E-mail me at turbog18@hotmail.com and i will send you a few pics.
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Old 02-12-2003, 04:34 AM   #13
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wow... a lot of love for BMW here..

For those that like how E30 handles.. why not get a Z3 coupe or
M coupe??..

And if you're interested in the E36 platform... get the latest
"EuropeanCar" magazine.. they covered the E36 gen pretty well..
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In my relatively limited expereince with Japanes cars I would expect the STI to hold up well without much hassles as a daily driver. Subarus are known for their sturdy design with regard to mechanicals - 5 speeds used for drag racing may be another story.

European cars, especially older ones, tend to be overengineered and probably have the potential to run up higher mileages but they tend to need more servicing.

Growing up with BMW 2002 and 4 cylinder Alfas in the 70's, it was not unusual to need a valve job because of excessive oil burning after 30000-40000 kilometres on the clock - this was driving in Europe with extended high speed running.
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Old 02-12-2003, 02:01 PM   #15
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I know I'm like a day late, but I just wanted to welcome you to the club. Its a good thing to have car fanatics from other mfg.s', especially from the European market.
If you are going to get the STi, we would of course like to hear some opinions and comparisons of your BMW and new STi.
If you are going to autocross your STi (I know I will), let's all compare notes! The Motorsports forum is a great place for discussing autocross stuff.

Cheers,

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Thanks for the responses guys... this looks like a really good group.


Scooby, I used to drive an old E21... great little tossabouts (well, It was until I drove it into the ground). I never could forgive BMW for the vertically mounted stereo though:-P

I've heard that they can actually turn into pretty serious performance cars (euro spec? as in 323... either way I'd definately love to check it out). But Mine was a little STock US spec runabout.

OldnSlow, that brings up a good point - when I buy a car I buy them for the long term... whats the _long_ term reliablility of the STi likely to be? (in terms of other Subie's). a BMW with 70k miles on it is just broken in, a chrysler with 70k on the clock is plain broken... I've heard that Japanese cars have what it takes to last, but do you think that trend will stand even for the high-performance side of the market. I.e, what condition would my STi be in at 150k+?

I'd love to here from some of you Subaru faithful on this - whats your impressions?

Fengshui

the 1988 BMW 325 was based on the old large-displacement, low reving eta motors. This are torquey motors with almost no top end, making them easy to drive but not very fast.

The stock ETA motor puts out 124 (iirc)hp... because the engines were designed for economy and not performance, a simple performance chip does a lot, and can boost you up to around 150.

That's about it though, after that you're stuck.

if you're looking for performance in an older BMW, get one of the newer-generation i motors, these have 168hp with a 6700 redline (As opposed to a 4900 redline in the eta). chip and bolt-on mods can get that up to about 180 with little difficulty.

The e30 chasis (80's 3-series) is _awsome_ for a performance enthusiest on a budget. I'll be the first to admit that the e30's give my e36 a run for its money, despite being almost 10 years older and with 30 less Horses. The cars average around 2800lbs, and they're extremely nimble and fun to drive (I almost bought one myself). The only real problem I found with them is just (smack me, I know) they were more dated than I wanted - I was looking for a car that could still impress the ladies _and_ drive fast (and I got an insane deal on my e36) Otherwise, the e30 is a great choice.

hope that helps...

-Scott
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Donít know how relevant this will be but,,

When I see say for example a 90legacy 5 speed with 210k miles for sale I take a serious look at buying it.

One of my Legacy was a donation to a charity, yet it was still in perfect running order (except a noisy wheel bearing)

You donít see many Subaru for sale compared to how many are in use, many of them are driven into the ground because the person has no reason to sell them.

Visit your closest ski town, If its anything like the mountainous areas of California you will be surprised by how many old Subaruís driving around.

Any Subaru 1985+ is very cheap to keep running. The common issues are usually items that cost little to repair (air suspension is the only bad one, stay away from it).

Over all Iíve never heard of a Subaru to stay away from. Canít say that about many other manufacturers. The only exception to this would be a couple years when the 2.5 liter engine has head gasket issues.

Someone mentioned the WRX being based on an econobox, seemed to be a sort of put down. Personally I agree that the WRX is based on the low model Subaru but it doesnít mean the quality is any less. Since Subaru is so frugal with sharing parts either all the Subaru models are good or they are all bad.

Sure the 2.5 turbo is new, and the 6 speed with dccd. Yet if you really do your homework you will find not much new parts where created, many of the items are still carryover from other vehicles or redesigned parts of an already proven design.
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I am giving up my beloved M3 for it. I saw myself growing old in the M, and now in the STi.

Quite a few bimmerforums guys over here these days.
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ciper- that actually means a lot to me-

I'm sorry, but I don't think a car with 100k has a "lot" of miles on it... yes, its worn in, but its just middle aged.

I want I car that I know, should I Choose, will last at me at least 200k (assuming that I do all required maintence)...

I simple don't get that feeling from any american car - hell, my friend's CTS is already showing signs of age... and its 9 months old.

I have to say the big thing that I am going to miss from BMW are the interiors... I don't like the big, round dials of the japanese... *sigh*, you win some, you loose some:P

But, to get a car with the same performance as an e46 M3, plus AWD and _20 grand_ less... I mean, I love BMW style... but I don't think I love it _that_ much.

Oh, semi-related question... I'm looking to purchase march of next year- at what point should I consider getting on some dealer lists? (and how much a down payment would I need?)...

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some places are 500 some 1000. some sat refundable, some not.

I'd ask your local dealers on when to get on the list after the first few months of deliveries. Then, you'll at least have a chance of them giving you a semi-solid answer. They know next to nothing right now...
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with experience from my family and my own vehicles, i can say that the japanese engines seem to just keep running.

subaru, nissan, honda.. 175K+ is nothing out of the ordinary for them. as long as you dont abuse it (too much, hehe) and keep up with the scheduled maintenance, you should have no problems keeping your subaru for as long as you can bare to drive it.

you'll give up on it before it gives up on you..
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bmrboy325is I look for the same thing in a car, My dads 83 E28 528e has 300,000 and the only real major repair we had to do is a new head ( which we just did a few days ago) and the walls are just simply in a great shape! and so is every thing else, I would say that it has another 100k in it as it is. My E21 had about 200k and needed a new motor ( I kinda drive it a little hard Oops) but I have been hearing that subarus last a while if you take care of them.
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If you want to talk about how much endurance/reliablity you can expect from subaru vehicles, look at some of these links.

http://www.jlc.net/~fcs/fwf.htm

http://www.subaruaircraft.com/

Yes, it is quite common for people to place subaru boxers in aircraft due to a number of factors including the inhearent stability/low vibration of a boxer motor, and because of the subaru motor's legendary reliability.

I found the land speed endurance to be very impressive. I have also heard of people who have driven subaru legacys for upwards of a half-million miles without major engine overhauls.

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