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Old 02-11-2003, 08:05 PM   #1
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i lost compression in cylinder #4,the car is at the dealers,they want to teardown the motor,to see if soa is going to approve warranty or not,if they deny the warranty,its going to cost me $560 for the teardown and have them but the motor back together with the bad parts.what would you guys do.if the warranty is denied,im getting rid of the car and im out $560.i know this is the wrong topic to put this in.sorry
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Old 02-11-2003, 09:22 PM   #2
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If there's no external damage, how many ways could they point their finger at you _after_ tearing the engine apart? Are you sure they won't charge you the $, and then warranty it anyway?

You could always offer to sell them the shortblock for $560 right now (they can warranty it themselves if they're that sort of dealership), and use the money you get from them to offset a partial front clip from an STi.

Or you can take it to another dealer that will treat you a little better and not threaten to charge you for it (unless it really is your fault, for whatever reason).

...In my absolutely non-professional opinion...

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Old 02-11-2003, 10:17 PM   #3
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Sorry can't give very useful advice with the info you've given.

How stock are you.
visual mods like body kits, and or performance products etc.
Give a little idea of when and how the engine went sour.
How bad is the compression loss?
nearly total or just low, does engine run?

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Old 02-11-2003, 10:49 PM   #4
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Need more info to give opinion.

What do you mean that you are getting rid of the car?

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Old 02-11-2003, 11:19 PM   #5
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the motor was modded alittle more than a stage 4,i know the service guy he let me bring the car in,the first time i brought the car it was fully modded,now its at subaru totally stock,but the tech told soa that i had a bigger turbo,soa is still warranting the car so far,no body kits or anything,its only cylinder 4,compression is around 60-65psi.engine doesnt not smoke knock or anything,big time blow by and takes one whole revolution more to start the car,alittle more rougher than normal at idle,i had about 17,500 on the car,it now has 18,300,what i mean by getting rid of the car is trading it in for a g35 or something.
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Old 02-11-2003, 11:33 PM   #6
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Do you have an idea of specifically how it died? -Bolster
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Old 02-11-2003, 11:36 PM   #7
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way to much detonation,while tuning,someone was tuning the car not me,i have a utec,the cel must have flashed atleast 20 or more times in 2 days,then acouple days after messing with the utec,i had a wot run,i was doing around 80-90mph and the utec flashed the cel,thats all she wrote.
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Old 02-11-2003, 11:59 PM   #8
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Call me old fashioned, but sounds like a self inflicted wound.

You should pay the repair bill and not claim warranty.

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Old 02-12-2003, 12:01 AM   #9
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i know
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Old 02-12-2003, 12:32 AM   #10
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Here's my opinion, take it as you will.

I had a very similar thing happen to me, except mine was in cylinder #1.

http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show...ight=egt+gauge

I chose to send the entire long block to Cobb tuning and have a stage 2 bottom end done (stock heads.) Cost was about $4700 for everything excluding shipping.

You could always keep your engine and purchase a new WRX engine. This will keep the downtime on your car to a minimum, plus you would still have your old block to build up or sell.

Who knows, you might be able to throw a set of pistons in there and be done with it. Was there any damage to the walls of the block? I imagine if there was that kind of abuse that there is more wrong than just #4 going bad. According to Trey Cobb, my engine showed signs of wear in every cylinder.
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Old 02-12-2003, 12:38 AM   #11
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What does the car feel like at WOT now?
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Old 02-12-2003, 12:39 AM   #12
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I have to agree you were pushing alot of power through the car and had someone messing with it that sounds like they had no clue what they were doing.
I dunno man you were pushing the stock cast pistons and other stock parts pretty far. If I was you I would get the car from the dealer and take it somewhere to get a engine buildup.

You have alot of money in mods in the car and will take such a beating selling a car that has been modded and needed engine work. Get it fixed man it will cost less in the long run. The tech noted that there was a larger turbo and I'm guessing that when the engine is torn down they willl deny any claim you have,
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Old 02-12-2003, 01:40 AM   #13
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What I want to know is who were you letting tune you car and did they know what they were doing? (Doesn't sound like it).
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Old 02-12-2003, 10:08 AM   #14
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the car still moves at wot,except i got whooped by a stock prelude.the motor is still in the car.(he tech noted that there was a larger turbo and I'm guessing that when the engine is torn down they willl deny any claim you have) i was thinking the same thing.i dont want to say who was tuning the car.this person had tuned acouple wrx's with no problems.i had an aem intake,which could have been a big part of the detonation,looking at the laptop the car was doing crazy stuff.
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Old 02-12-2003, 12:55 PM   #15
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Why are you still abusing the car now that there are problems, you are only making a bad situation worse. What really bugs me about that is that you have returned the car to stock and looking at getting rid of it. So now you take a car that appears to be in working condition go to the Infinity dealer trade it for a G35 and shove your problem off to some unsuspecting buyer. I am not saying this what you are going to do but I can see that it is headed that way.

If this "tuner person" had done quite a few WRX's then they should have enough know how to tune around the AEM. If your car was acting that erractic during tunning then you should have shut it down and given someone a call who really knows what is going on.
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Old 02-12-2003, 04:40 PM   #16
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I can't believe your tuner just ignored the UTEC's detonation warnings 20+ times. How strong was the detonation in your tuning logs? Also, was the UTEC's detonation correction still in place? I must say your tuner didn't know jack. Did you pay him for the tune? I say there is pretty much no way SOA will warranty you (nor should they in your case, gotta call this one negligance).

I would highly second the Cobb packages, assuming there is no damage to the actual block. The stage 2 package mentioned increases your displacement to 2.2L, and raises your recommended Rev limit to 8000 RPM, and will handle a lot more boost and abuse. Or you could try and find a 30,000 mile swapout out of a JDM STI.
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Old 02-12-2003, 08:27 PM   #17
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the utec was still controlling knock,i did not pay him,actually im suprised soa did not cancel my warranty,i dont think the knocks where that bad,just way to many of them,actually if i did not let the person touch the car,i would still be fine.actually the civic i traded for the wrx was in worse condition that the wrx is now.they sold the civic for normal price also.if i had money i would love to do a built 2.5 motor.
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