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Old 02-13-2003, 05:23 PM   #1
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Default More than 300 hp?

I've now heard it from two Midwest Subaru dealers that the Subaru Engineers have actually been reporting substantially more then 300 hp on dynos. It has been suggested that the nice round 300 number has been aribitrarily chosen to minimize insurance hit, and not overalarm competitors....Mitsu?


Huge Grain of Salt, disclaimer here.....but that is what I have heard from two dealers now. Anyone else here this?
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Old 02-13-2003, 05:28 PM   #2
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Honestly, those two dealers don't know anything I'm sure. They're just trying to get sales. 300hp vs 310hp is not going to change insurance rates any.

However, it's not impossible the Subaru is under-rating the hp. Most reviews of the JDM Subaru (~280hp) I've read are pretty sure the car is closer to the 300hp mark.

But I wouldn't get my hopes up and even if it is true, those dealers are still making it up
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Old 02-13-2003, 05:34 PM   #3
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Honestly, those two dealers don't know anything I'm sure. They're just trying to get sales. 300hp vs 310hp is not going to change insurance rates any.

However, it's not impossible the Subaru is under-rating the hp. Most reviews of the JDM Subaru (~280hp) I've read are pretty sure the car is closer to the 300hp mark.

But I wouldn't get my hopes up and even if it is true, those dealers are still making it up

Yeah prolly right. 300 hp and exactly 300 pft are some mighty suss numbers though. Can't wait to read about the first test drives.
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Old 02-13-2003, 05:46 PM   #4
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i woudlnt doubt it. anyone who knows about 2.5 turbos knows that it isnt very hard to make 300hp+
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Old 02-13-2003, 05:59 PM   #5
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Is the 300 hp at the wheels?
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Old 02-13-2003, 06:12 PM   #6
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Is the 300 hp at the wheels?
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Old 02-13-2003, 06:20 PM   #7
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Old 02-13-2003, 06:33 PM   #8
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I thought it was a funny question too!
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Old 02-13-2003, 07:56 PM   #9
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That is a good question.

How did Subaru arrive to the exact numbers of 300/300? Is there a way to tune the engine to the exact number? I mean 303 or 297 or something like that sounds more realistic.

I think the car needs to make at least that and probably more in order to avoid the issues that Mazda had with the Miata and Ford with the Cobra.
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I think the car needs to make at least that and probably more in order to avoid the issues that Mazda had with the Miata and Ford with the Cobra.
What issues?
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Old 02-13-2003, 08:04 PM   #11
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I've heard that they chose that state of power for a combination of reliability, mileage, and "it sounds nice" reasons.

Honestly.

They have indeed had ECU tune sets that produced more power (waay more), but Subaru does have gas mileage and reliability concerns. Generally, from a Subaru worldview viewpoint, a engine that will last 300,000 miles is better for longterm image than an engine that lasts 200,000 miles. Special editions may produce more, though - like the S202 that produced 320ps - but that only had a year warranty on the drivetrain. That's about 5,000-10,000 miles in Japan for even the hardcore drivers.

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Old 02-13-2003, 08:05 PM   #12
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I remember some page on dodge website boasting that the srt-4 has max torque for a flat 1000 rpm which was pretty cool. If thats possible whats wrong with 300 300?
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Old 02-13-2003, 08:05 PM   #13
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Hype....

The car is coming with a VF34, just like many other recent sti's. So it should make right around 300 hp in stock trim, give or take a few.

This won't be like the dodge SRT-4 ringer car.

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Old 02-14-2003, 12:59 AM   #14
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The issue was that both Mazda and Ford and more recently Hyundai overstated the actual horsepower being produced. This was embarrasing enough that Mazda actually offered to repurchase the '01 Miata back for the original purchase price or offer a free extended warranty.
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Except, that I thought dynos showed Cobras getting HP to the wheels that would suggest under-estimated hp?

(I know Cobra's times aren't what a ~400hp car should get but that's for other reasons (weight) or so I've heard)

???
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the only cobra that was underrated wass the new one. those things are powerful mofos. i think they are running 12 flat stock or with little mods.
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With a turbo engine compared to a NA engine, it's easier to "make" figures when you manufacture. More/less boost, tuned ecu so 300/300 is possible... Something harder to achieve with a NA engine (still possible but harder) since the tuning is not as easy.

Btw, I had a 1999 Cobra and it was overrated (I was having 305HP at the crank, supposed to have 320HP), they made a recall and upgraded intake, exaust, chip to achieve 320HP (Dyno showed 318HP). The new Cobra 390HP is a beast... 12.9 1/4 stock... In my 02 Z06, 12.46 1/4 so you see it's very similar and have you said "torque"....!! (Also, have you said, cheap interior?)

Now, I wanted to buy a WRX in last october for a winter car and was disappointed by the low end torque. Hope that with the 2.5T in the STi, the torque will be a lot improved.

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