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Old 02-15-2003, 06:43 PM   #1
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just back from chicago, my question "how much for the sti and when is it available?"
the answer at the subaru stand, "well the cars are available in june and we'll know the price in August, but it's going to be between 30 and 35K"
yeah right.
why is it that boards like this have more info then the people these companies hire? why hire anyone? they never know anything, why cant they just get some hot blondes to hand out brochures and answer, "I dont know" It would be better than the total liars they have pulling things outta their butts. What a waste of time. Subaru if youre listening stop making us wait how much is the Sti? How hard can it be to just answer such a damn simple question?
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Old 02-15-2003, 06:56 PM   #2
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LOL..... thats a good one.....the car will be available in June, but the pricing won't be known till August....I guess we get a free 1-2 month test drive.
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why is it that boards like this have more info then the people these companies hire? why hire anyone? they never know anything, why cant they just get some hot blondes to hand out brochures and answer, "I dont know" It would be better than the total liars they have pulling things outta their butts. What a waste of time. Subaru if youre listening stop making us wait how much is the Sti? How hard can it be to just answer such a damn simple question?
my sentiments exactly
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Old 02-15-2003, 09:21 PM   #4
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The people staffing the Subaru booth don't really know anything. The ones that actually work for Subaru, aren't really involved in the pricing/product development side of things. That's pretty common knowledge. They're there to smile prettily, read answers from the spec sheets they've been given and hand out brochures.

Anyone who expects real, useful information from those folks is bound to be disappointed. Heck, I had one guy tell me that the WRX wagon comes stock with 17s "On this model." There's ONLY one model of the WRX wagon. You just smile, and you move on.

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just back from chicago, my question "how much for the sti and when is it available?"
the answer at the subaru stand, "well the cars are available in june and we'll know the price in August, but it's going to be between 30 and 35K"
yeah right.
why is it that boards like this have more info then the people these companies hire? why hire anyone? they never know anything, why cant they just get some hot blondes to hand out brochures and answer, "I dont know" It would be better than the total liars they have pulling things outta their butts. What a waste of time. Subaru if youre listening stop making us wait how much is the Sti? How hard can it be to just answer such a damn simple question?
and if the car is between 30k and 35k as in $32,500, I won't be buying it, my money then will go to the evo VIII, yeah I know alot of people are gonna say fine that'll make it easieer for me to get one, it's a beautiful car but not for more than 30 grand, I've got a beautiful '02 WRX, if it doesnt cost me a whole lot I'll buy a sti, if it's too much for me from a value standppoint I'll go elsewhere, what would make the sti worth over 30k?
1) more radical body changes, different fenders, much more radical totally different nose and rear fascia
2)better interior, as in leather heated sport seats, recaros please and higher quality plastics or maybe carbon interior trim like Porsche uses as an option
3) bose stereo
4)titanium exhaust

notice its mostly fluff that you don't need, thats the point I dont NEED and I DON'T WANT all that crap, the car is fine the way it is but it is only worth 30 thousand dollars to me, to someone else it might be but not to me, this is a mass produced not very exclusive car with interior materials and exterior materials that arent like super high quality, it's a good car, the mechanicals are perfect, it is a work of art, but dont let the dealers and the hype meisters convinvce you it's worth a mint. I want one, I'd love it and cherish it, but I won't pay a kings ransom for it.
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I hate to point this out, but with people paying 40K plus for trucks, 32K for one of the finest sports vehicles worldwide is not exactly asking for a king's ransom. That is what it is, though - a sports car of the highest degree. No amount of toys on the interior will add to that.

There has to be some reason people pay for a Z06 over a standard Corvette, right?

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I hate to point this out, but with people paying 40K plus for trucks,
its so true... come ninny in his 50k truck with deisel turbo blah blah tried to race me!!?!??

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and if the car is between 30k and 35k as in $32,500, I won't be buying it, my money then will go to the evo VIII, yeah I know alot of people are gonna say fine that'll make it easieer for me to get one, it's a beautiful car but not for more than 30 grand, I've got a beautiful '02 WRX, if it doesnt cost me a whole lot I'll buy a sti, if it's too much for me from a value standppoint I'll go elsewhere, what would make the sti worth over 30k?
1) more radical body changes, different fenders, much more radical totally different nose and rear fascia
2)better interior, as in leather heated sport seats, recaros please and higher quality plastics or maybe carbon interior trim like Porsche uses as an option
3) bose stereo
4)titanium exhaust

notice its mostly fluff that you don't need, thats the point I dont NEED and I DON'T WANT all that crap, the car is fine the way it is but it is only worth 30 thousand dollars to me, to someone else it might be but not to me, this is a mass produced not very exclusive car with interior materials and exterior materials that arent like super high quality, it's a good car, the mechanicals are perfect, it is a work of art, but dont let the dealers and the hype meisters convinvce you it's worth a mint. I want one, I'd love it and cherish it, but I won't pay a kings ransom for it.
Very true. One of the reason we (at least I) love the wrx so much isn't only because the way is bulid; AWD/turbo, but the affordable $$$ too. If Subaru is gonna make the STI's $$$ sky rocket high (anywhere between 31Gs and up),; then i think Subaru would loose a good amount of customers... Besides, the reality is that for more than 30Gs there's plenty of car to choose from. I dunno, it just seems to me that if the price gap between a WRX and a STI is more than 7 or 8 Gs, it'll be (way) too much. just my .02.
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Luckily it is a free country, and if you want to buy a 29K Evo and not a 3xK STi, that is your choice.

Low 30K just isn't that uncommon these days. The last time I was at my dealer (VW and Subaru together) I saw a 33K Passat wagon. I was thinking, yeah, right. One the other hand I won't blink at paying that much for a STi. Other folks will come in and happily get the Passat and wonder why anyone would spend 30K on a car like the STi.

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I have no doubt that if Subaru sells the STi for $32k, they will sell everyone they build no problem.

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Old 02-16-2003, 01:57 AM   #11
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Very true. One of the reason we (at least I) love the wrx so much isn't only because the way is bulid; AWD/turbo, but the affordable $$$ too. If Subaru is gonna make the STI's $$$ sky rocket high (anywhere between 31Gs and up),; then i think Subaru would loose a good amount of customers... Besides, the reality is that for more than 30Gs there's plenty of car to choose from. I dunno, it just seems to me that if the price gap between a WRX and a STI is more than 7 or 8 Gs, it'll be (way) too much. just my .02.
People, people...look at what you get compared to the WRX.

Hell, the brakes alone are about $4K, not to mention the 6-speed, new motor, suspension, DCCD. If it comes in at $32K, the STi will be the performance bargain of the millennium. There is no way that the car is overpriced at $32K. 4.8 second 0-60 with insane levels of grip. It should be able to run with almost anything on the roads, for a mere $32K. Unreal.

It isn't that much slower than supercars like the 911 Turbo, that cost about $90K more than the STi. It boggles my mind how people can look a gift horse like the STi in the mouth.

The STi seems to be as pure a driver's car as there is around, outside of Caterhams and the like. Heated leather seats won't be finding their way to the car, nor should they, IMHO. That's what they have Audis for, so that the guy who just paid another $15K more than that STi driver for his S4 can sit, cosseted in heated leather chairs while he looks at that lovely, pink STi badge.

Titanium exhaust? Of what possible value is a titanium exhaust? Stainless is fine, and should last the life of the car. Subaru seems to have put the money where they should, and not where they shouldn't. I like that. Hell, if Subaru doesn't bring over the STi Legacy wagon or Forester, I might even buy an STi. I figure they'll have a wing delete option by the time I'm ready for a new car.

Oh, and I'll be thrilled if it's still $32K for that level of performance.

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Titanium exhaust? Of what possible value is a titanium exhaust?

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umm, I have a full titanium exhaust... it is about 25-30 pounds lighter than the stock exhaust and makes a difference in handling I can feel. Granted it's expensive, but...
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I think you hit the nail on the head.... "its expensive."

Subaru did well with the STi. Like gtguy said the STi differences from the WRX aren't purely looks. Hardly...the mods done on the car would cost $$$$. The 6spd, Brembos, DCCD, HIDS (aftermarket are between $400-$1200 and they never seem to work right anyhow), FORGED BBS wheels (ever look at the consumer price of BBS wheels...especially forged BBS wheels??), The suspension mods, on and lets not forget the engine.

Did I forget the engine?? 2.5L, bigger intercooler, etc, etc, etc, internals. Add all that up on your own with a WRX and you're looking around $10K-$15K not including labor costs. Not too mention the frame of the STi has been strengthend over the WRX.

Hey, to each their own, and I realize that for the money that SOA is going to offer there are of course many alternatives that make spending that kind of money justifiable. Subaru's slogan.. "When you get it, you get it."
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umm, I have a full titanium exhaust... it is about 25-30 pounds lighter than the stock exhaust and makes a difference in handling I can feel. Granted it's expensive, but...
I will buy that titanium is lighter. That's a given. I won't buy that you can feel a handling difference from it. Perhaps I just have to be there, so I'll have to take your word for it. Weight does matter to handling, but I would think that it would need to be more than 25-30 lbs, over the length of the car.

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If 20-30lbs affects handling that much (static weight) then heck buy a different battery..like the dynabat...its a lot cheaper than a full Ti exhaust too.
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hey I'm not disputing that this car is worth more than 30k, it is. But then again isnt the regular WRX worth morethan it costs, thats the point , Subaru is usually a great value, if the car is 30k it's a steal just like the WRX is at it's price, but when you get up higher there are some other choices. If its $28,987 for a evo VIII or 30K for an sti, then there is no choice you gotta buy the sti, there is no doubt, if its $32,500 for the sti then it's not sucha no-brainer anymore, you gotta think a little bit about it, sure they'll sell every one they make, but the better the value the greater demand and number of cars they'll sell, didnt they import twice the amount of WRXs they planned to the first year due to the level of demand? I hope the same thing happens with the sti too, but it won't happen unless its priced like the original WRX, awesome car AND incredible bargain
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It's all relative. I know plenty of people who think that I'm crazy to pay 24K for a WRX, so go figure. I don't get why people are even discussing this. The STi will sell well anywhere between 30-35K. If you think 32K is too much, fine. Buy the Evo, it'll be great to see them around. You think Subaru cares that they've lost your business? Doubtful. They'll sell plenty of STi's regardless.

Personally, I wouldn't buy into a brand that has a shaky life ahead of it - Mitsubishi is doing really poorly. The fact that they're under Daimler-Chrysler control now doesn't exactly inspire confidence. If they can screw up Mercedes (who's reliability record is suffering tremendously now), they sure as hell can screw up Mitsubishi.
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just back from chicago, my question "how much for the sti and when is it available?"
the answer at the subaru stand, "well the cars are available in june and we'll know the price in August, but it's going to be between 30 and 35K"
yeah right.
why is it that boards like this have more info then the people these companies hire? why hire anyone? they never know anything, why cant they just get some hot blondes to hand out brochures and answer, "I dont know" It would be better than the total liars they have pulling things outta their butts. What a waste of time. Subaru if youre listening stop making us wait how much is the Sti? How hard can it be to just answer such a damn simple question?
And it's "Tachomoeter" not "tacT ometer" just shut up, smile, and point at the car.
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well, the reliabilty rating drops may be related to problems with the ML series which is made here in the US, I think it was a problem even before Daimler bought them, and since Daimler bought chrysler i think we are just now seeing some neat things in the pipeline, look at the new chrysler crossfire, the viper, the new station wagon thing, I think daimler buying them might infuse some well needed cash into the company, I think both cars are great but as the price goes up, the fewer people who can afford to buy, and some who can afford to buy arent interested in buying.
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hey I'm not disputing that this car is worth more than 30k, it is. But then again isnt the regular WRX worth more than it costs, thats the point , Subaru is usually a great value, if the car is 30k it's a steal just like the WRX is
So SOA sold a great car for a "steal" and now since a even better car will be sold for a steal , you will show them how greedy they are by promoting a leather seated Audi for a steal plus a rip plus gouge plus +++. Good thinking.

Your line of reasoning would fit in with the EVO boards. Try there.

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So SOA sold a great car for a "steal" and now since a even better car will be sold for a steal , you will show them how greedy they are by promoting a leather seated Audi for a steal plus a rip plus gouge plus +++. Good thinking.

Your line of reasoning would fit in with the EVO boards. Try there.

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I don't get your point, I'm not looking at an Audi, I'm looking to replace my WRX w/an sti, my personal opinion is I dont want to pay more than 30k for the car, others might, thats fine I'm just talking about me, I'm just confused as to why youve got to be a hater and tell me to go to an evo board, I like my suby, i like the suby community, chill
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dark knight. If the STi is more than you want to pay, don't pay it. I think its a great car, and for the expected $32K its about the max I would pay, but to each their own.

If you really want to get one you could of course always look at buying a slightly used one too. I believe on a car like that depreciation will be especially high since it is a turbo-charged car.

Godd luck in your design.
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dark knight. If the STi is more than you want to pay, don't pay it. I think its a great car, and for the expected $32K its about the max I would pay, but to each their own.

If you really want to get one you could of course always look at buying a slightly used one too. I believe on a car like that depreciation will be especially high since it is a turbo-charged car.

Godd luck in your design.
I'm currently in the position of waintg for pricing, yep it s between the evo and the sti, I'd personally like the sti, I could use my defi gauge pod. just waitng for pricing to come out and wonddering why subaru has to wait so long to tell us how much, it always surprises me when so many people advocate for the car to be higher priced, I remeber way back when when people thought the WRX would be priced at around 28k, glad they were wrong, hope this time the sti is less also, but when it comes to content, the car is unbeatable it has everything.
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Between the Evo and the STi..they are both winners. I, of course, like the STi better, but the price on the Evo is pretty nice. Hopefully the STi will be similar or just a little higher. And of course the Evo will be a very competant player in this field..even if it doesn't have AYC and ACD.

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and if the car is between 30k and 35k as in $32,500, I won't be buying it, my money then will go to the evo VIII, yeah I know alot of people are gonna say fine that'll make it easieer for me to get one, it's a beautiful car but not for more than 30 grand, I've got a beautiful '02 WRX, if it doesnt cost me a whole lot I'll buy a sti, if it's too much for me from a value standppoint I'll go elsewhere, what would make the sti worth over 30k?
1) more radical body changes, different fenders, much more radical totally different nose and rear fascia
2)better interior, as in leather heated sport seats, recaros please and higher quality plastics or maybe carbon interior trim like Porsche uses as an option
3) bose stereo
4)titanium exhaust


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WHY IN GOD'S NAME WOULD YOU WANT A BOSE STEREO?

I mean, do you really like paying premium for terrible engineering and cheap components? Are you one of those morons who really believes you can get full range sound out of a 2" paper cone?

Please, spare me.

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