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Old 05-01-2001, 08:09 AM   #1
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Okay guys (and gals), Iíve read a lot on this forum about the price of Tein HA coilovers and a lot about people thinking of buying them. I want to hear some review of those how have actually bought, installed and driven with the coilovers (especially from WRX owners). How easy are the adjustments? How good are the settings for touring, daily driving, and auto-xing? Talk to me.
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Old 05-01-2001, 08:54 AM   #2
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You probably won't find many folks running them on a WRX just yet (or MY02 RS even).

My thoughts:

They have a single external adjustment that affects compression and rebound both-- rebound changes are very minor. It's a 3mm hex key (allen wrench) on top of the strut rod that is very easy to turn through all 16 adjustments. The adjuster will turn more than 16 clicks but doing so will not decrease the damping further and could damage the strut.

They are very easy to adjust as long as your rear seat is out. This actually works well for me because I don't adjust them on the street and I have the rear seat out autocrossing.

Ride quality and performance is going to be highly dependent on the spring rate you choose. For a GC8 the standard spring rate is 7kg/mm front and 6kg/mm rear and that's what I have. You can use softer or harder springs but I feel this rate is a good balance between tolerable on the street and stiff enough for autocross and track use. Even stiffer springs would be better for motorsport, but it wouldn't be drivable on the street and even this spring rate is going to be too high on really rough, potholed roads. I find it tolerable at near full soft damping for the street and the high spring rate assures that there will be a lot less body roll than stock. At a very fast autocross this weekend I was using 2 from full hard in front and 4 from full hard in the rear-- which was overdamped, but the course was smooth and fast so it worked great.

Anyway, at the current prices they are a good buy but TRY to get a ride in a car with higher spring rates before you buy. You will grow into a certain degree of tolerance, but if your local roads are really bad most people won't ever be truly happy. Spring rates in the mid-low 200lb/in range like the DMS Gold uses would be much better in that case. The person whom I bought my Tein HAs from tried softer springs with them and still didn't like the ride in urban areas, so perhaps the valving isn't low enough for springs that soft...
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Old 05-01-2001, 09:04 AM   #3
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Colin is exactly right. Where you live is CRITICAL for long-term happiness with Tein HAs. My set (since sold) had spring rates of 6.2 and 8K, which were incompatible with the rough Chicago-area roads, which were also setting off the pillow ball mounts and their clatter.

They were fast and flat, and if I lived in California or somewhere smooth, I'd probably still have them on my car.

Now having said that, I'm happy that I tried the DMS Golds. They're just as flat, but faster and more comfortable because of the double progressive spring design.

If your area is smooth, or if you plan on tracking the car, Teins would be a good choice because of the substantially higher spring rates. The Teins also have a linear spring.

Adjusting the Teins is easier than on the DMS, which requires you to reach under the car because of the inverted strut design. Build quality is also first-rate though again, DMS is nicer. (I have run both systems on my Legacy GT wagon, by the way).

I don't think you'll be at all unhappy, as long as you don't have a lot of rough stuff around.

There are people who are running DMS on WRXes, as well. The Teins are less expensive too, but once you're past the $1300-1400 point, what's another couple hundred or so?

Good luck with the search. I'll be reporting on DMS on my WRX wagon as soon as the car shows up.

Oh, yeah, I found that the Teins really came into their own with higher damping settings, that mated well with the high spring rates. They actually were the best for me lowered about an inch, with damping settings at 11f and 13r. They were actually comfortable over all but the worst stuff, though my cupholders became USELESS! Anything in them would get catapulted out over bumps.

Back seat passengers reported a profound unhappiness with the ride quality back there, but hey, they're passengers....shut up.

Perhaps the guy who bought my Teins will chime in. He's running them on a Legacy sedan.

Kevin

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Old 05-01-2001, 09:10 AM   #4
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Kevin, Tein HAs are inverted as well. No idea why the adjuster is on top, but I like it.
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Old 05-01-2001, 09:25 AM   #5
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Hmmmm. Guess I never noticed. I just presumed they weren't, since the adjuster was on the top. Trick stuff!

The nice thing about the adjusters being on the bottom of the DMS, is that I don't have to leave the strut top covers off of the back, which looked pretty ugly.

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Old 05-01-2001, 09:28 AM   #6
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I just checked the Tein site and the HA dampers for the GDA and GDB('02 WRX) models seems to have the same spring rates as the GC8 7f/6r but have longer springs in the back which would only drop them 20mm instead of the ~40mm for the GC8 models. I guess this is fine since the back sits a lot lower than the front on the new WRX models but I don't know what type of effects it will have on handling performance.
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Old 05-01-2001, 09:54 AM   #7
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i'm running gtguy's old set on my 97 legacy sedan. the adjustments are easy to make. pop the hood to get to the fronts, and pull the back seat (4 bolts) to get to the rears.

there are 16 clicks, and the difference between each one is noticable. i've got them set around 12f/14r and they're comfy enough around town. apparently, the retards who do the paving in bergen county don't believe that manhole covers and pavement should line up. +/- 2 inches is close enough for them. i'd like to keep damping on a higher setting, which is nicer for smooth roads, but it's a compromise.

i don't know if it's the higher than stock spring rates, or if it's always been there, but the chassis felt much more flexy after installing the teins. beefy front and rear strut tower bars have helped.

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Old 05-01-2001, 09:56 AM   #8
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Kevin, Did you have to special order the double-progressive springs with the DMS Golds? I didn't know it was even an option...
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Old 05-01-2001, 09:59 AM   #9
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Jon,

They all come like that(double progressive on the golds).
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Old 05-01-2001, 11:58 AM   #10
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Teins HA's are not inverted.
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my Tein HA's are for sale...check the tristate forum
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