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Old 02-18-2003, 08:41 AM   #1
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Question STi - Should I be worried about 1st year problems?

Got on waiting list for an STi and I know it has been sold overseas but never with the 2.5 engine, right? Usually buying the first model year of a car is not to smart since the manufacture is still working bugs out. Do you think this applies to the STi?

Also I've never owned a Subaru and would like to hear opinions on the overall quality of their cars.
The interior on the WRX feels kind of cheap but does it hold up well (stalks, buttons, dials, handles)?
Is the car put together well? Any engine or drivetrain problems?
Does your paint still look like new?
Overall reliability?
Overall impression compared to other cars you've owned?
The final grade you would give the car?

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Old 02-18-2003, 03:10 PM   #2
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Maybe I posted in wrong forum but no WRX owners or Subaru owners in general care to comment? Should I put in the General forum?
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Old 02-18-2003, 04:24 PM   #3
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I rate the WRX as"A". STI has upgraded tranny, which most people feel was weakest aspect of the WRX. Paint, like most cars these days, seems prone to chipping easily. My first upgrade if I bought the STI would be to get a stonegard kit for the front right when you buy it. I'm sure glad I did--car looks like new. I'm confident Subaru will give us a good motor . Go for it if you can afford it. Minor niggling problems will be warrantied. I'd be very surprised if any major problems developed. Overall build quality of the WRX is good. Car seems screwed together well, good body panel fit, etc. I expect STI, if anything, to be even better.
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Old 02-18-2003, 07:50 PM   #4
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I'd personally be very concerned with the new STi coming here.

I deeply regret getting an 02 WRX. My tranny sucks, and the clutch is one of the weakest I've ever experienced.

The fact that the STi is the first one with the 2.5L turbo would also make me a little more worried. New ECU setups, room there for error and possible dealer ECU reflashes.

Tranny, probably not that big an issue, but you never know. Subaru had a perfectly good WRX tranny in EU/JP, yet they gave the US a crappy version. Who knows, that could happen with the new STi, especially if they try and keep the cost under 30k. One would think they wouldn't skimp on the tranny, but they sure as hell did with the 02.

If it were me, I'd wait at least 6 months to a year to let the initial bugs get worked out. Sure, the hype is exciting, but if there are any signifcant problems, the $30k mistake you might make could be costly. I got swayed in by all the 02 hype and got it without looking into all negative parts. I regretted it in the end.

Basically, it were me, I'd wait. Let other people drop the money and test the car for you.

I'd also wait to see what Mitsubishi does to counter the 300hp STi....
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Old 02-19-2003, 03:28 PM   #5
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Subaru had a perfectly good WRX tranny in EU/JP, yet they gave the US a crappy version.
Besides someone speculating on this site, how do you know the tranny is different? Is there some reference that verifies this? The import tranny I have looks exactly like the US version.

Just curious.

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Old 02-19-2003, 04:00 PM   #6
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I always thought the U.S. tranny was the same as the Japanese 5 speed used for a long time on their Impreza turbo(about 250hp) and that Euro trannys were the same-that this 5 speed had been used for years on all the turbo Imprezas until the 6 speed came along. Can some expert help--Jon(in CT) perhaps?
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Old 02-19-2003, 06:58 PM   #7
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No, you should not.
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Old 02-19-2003, 07:33 PM   #8
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The old sti's and wrx, ver.5 and previous, had the same tranny's each year. The ver. 6 sti had a different tranny than the wrx of that year, and a different engine I belive. So, they downgraded the WRX tranny for that year, while the sti stayed the similar to how it always was. I'm pretty sure we got a derivative of this downgraded tranny.

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Old 02-20-2003, 05:49 AM   #9
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I'd personally be very concerned with the new STi coming here.

I deeply regret getting an 02 WRX. My tranny sucks, and the clutch is one of the weakest I've ever experienced.

The fact that the STi is the first one with the 2.5L turbo would also make me a little more worried. New ECU setups, room there for error and possible dealer ECU reflashes.

Tranny, probably not that big an issue, but you never know. Subaru had a perfectly good WRX tranny in EU/JP, yet they gave the US a crappy version. Who knows, that could happen with the new STi, especially if they try and keep the cost under 30k. One would think they wouldn't skimp on the tranny, but they sure as hell did with the 02.

If it were me, I'd wait at least 6 months to a year to let the initial bugs get worked out. Sure, the hype is exciting, but if there are any signifcant problems, the $30k mistake you might make could be costly. I got swayed in by all the 02 hype and got it without looking into all negative parts. I regretted it in the end.

Basically, it were me, I'd wait. Let other people drop the money and test the car for you.

I'd also wait to see what Mitsubishi does to counter the 300hp STi....
have you modified your car?
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Old 02-20-2003, 11:31 AM   #10
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Tranny, probably not that big an issue, but you never know. Subaru had a perfectly good WRX tranny in EU/JP, yet they gave the US a crappy version.
This is false. Other than final drive ratios, the next-gen WRX tranny is used worldwide. I've seen the JDM one and a US one side by side.

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The interior on the WRX feels kind of cheap but does it hold up well (stalks, buttons, dials, handles)?
You'll always know it is a Subaru.

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Is the car put together well? Any engine or drivetrain problems?
Clutch shudder seems to be a perennial issue.

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Does your paint still look like new?
Do a search on some of the other forums. Subarus don't have very good chip resistance. Expect to be doing a lot of chip touchups.

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Overall reliability?
Other than blown off power steering lines all of my Subarus have been very reliable.

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Overall impression compared to other cars you've owned?
All the development money went on the drivetrain/chassis. That's ok with me.

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Old 02-20-2003, 01:25 PM   #11
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No, I don't have evidence to back what I said, but that's what I've always heard. As far as my car, it has no engine mods, stock power. I also baby it, no launches, racing, etc. It is without a doubt one of the most poorly made setups I've ever driven. The clutch is weak, the shifter is notchy as hell, and I experience 4th gear grind early on, though like I said, I baby it.

Clutch shudder a personal problem? Read any car mag, they all get it. Sure, everyone just shrugs it off, but I think it's pretty lame that Subaru released a car to the public with something that annoying in the clutch/tranny setup...

But hey, if you don't like what I said, don't read it. I personally regret buying my WRX. But I'm just one person, there are many many people who love theirs. Who knows, maybe I just got a bum one...
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Old 02-21-2003, 09:03 AM   #12
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I think I'll wait for the second year and possibly the wagon will be offered. If not, that Legacy Turbo looks tempting
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Old 02-21-2003, 12:09 PM   #13
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Leonardo---what? You are waiting? Didn't you get one of the very first WRXs when they were first released? You must be very happy with your car. Good to hear from you again!
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Old 02-21-2003, 02:00 PM   #14
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like I said, I baby it.
that's your problem right there.

i thrash the crap out of my car every time I drive it.

i've experienced clutch shudder (BTW he said perenial NOT personal problem) about 3 times.

I smoke the hell out of my clutch and never had a problem but nothing to compare it to so I don't know.

No grinding except when i screw up but I revmatch almost every single downshift.

these cars beg to be driven and if you're not driving it I would expect it to pee in your beer.

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Old 02-21-2003, 04:14 PM   #15
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Yes.

You should be worried about 1st year problems.

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P.S. Sounds like you already are...
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