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Old 08-21-2005, 10:03 PM   #151
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Very interesting.
I'm lowered with Eibach Pro-Kit Spring and AGX KYB by 1.1" with -1.6 deg. camber 0 toe all around.
Tried on the STi OEM BBS & tire yesterday, and the sidewalls didn't clear the inner fender lip.
Oh, I have the '03 wagon BTW.
It depends on the tire brand too, as different brands have different widths even with the same tire size. The neros are 8.9" wide while some like the falken azenis and pole positions are 9" and therefore will have rubbing issues with wagons. BTW, I'm -1.0 front, -1.5 back and 0 toe all around and so far have no rubbing issues even when driven hard. I guess that you being lowered 0.1" than me makes a difference too .
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Old 08-21-2005, 11:25 PM   #152
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other than wheel specs.....tire specs plays a big role on whether you have rubbing issues. As mentioned above some models run wider then others. The oem sti tires run on the wide side of other 225's along with the azenis etc...
Other tires like the kumho 712's run on the narrower side.

I'm running hankook rs-2 225 with rota 7.5" 48offset w/o any rubbing issues
F -1.4 R -1.6

they are not as wide as the azenis but wider then 712's
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Old 08-22-2005, 09:24 AM   #153
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2002 wrx wagon
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-225/45/17 BF Goodrich g-Force T/A KDW2
-17" Rota Attacks -- +48 offset
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Old 08-22-2005, 07:02 PM   #154
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2002 wrx wagon
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Old 09-02-2005, 09:46 PM   #155
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I have a 2005 92x Aero (wrx wagon). I just picked up a set of 04 Sti BBS' and I plan on getting prodrive springs, do you think I'll rub if I go 235/45 or should I stick with 225's? Also, if I do go with 235/45 I will be getting the BFG KDW's, I wanted the KDW 2's but BFG doesn't make them in a 235/45 only a 235/40, if I want the 45 series in that width I have to go with the older tread design. How is the performance difference between the KDW's and the KDW 2's, anyone driven on both? I have had 2 sets of the KDW's on my mustang and they were great.

Thanks in advance for your help.

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Old 09-02-2005, 11:03 PM   #156
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I have a 2005 92x Aero (wrx wagon). I just picked up a set of 04 Sti BBS' and I plan on getting prodrive springs, do you think I'll rub if I go 235/45 or should I stick with 225's? Also, if I do go with 235/45 I will be getting the BFG KDW's, I wanted the KDW 2's but BFG doesn't make them in a 235/45 only a 235/40, if I want the 45 series in that width I have to go with the older tread design. How is the performance difference between the KDW's and the KDW 2's, anyone driven on both? I have had 2 sets of the KDW's on my mustang and they were great.

Thanks in advance for your help.

Rudi
I've had both the KDW2's and the KD's on my wagon, but not the KDW's. So for me the main difference was a ton more grip with the KD's. I originally got the KDW2's because I wanted a high performance tire that was good for the wet as well as the dry and I had just come off of using S03's. Well the KDW2's didn't perform well at the track for HPDE days. I think I overheated them on the 1st track day and they were pretty much unsafe to drive on after that. But they did perform well in the wet just like the S03's did.

I took the KDW2's back and they replaced them with the KD's (+ a small fee) which were great for track and street, but are a high performance summer tire and not really made for wet. However, I did drive on them for 2hrs during a pretty bad rain storm when I was going to get my car corner-weighted and aligned. I think the AWD pretty much kept me on the road and that was about it...white knuckle driving to say the least.

A friend of mine has had the KDW's on his Sedan for quite some time and he likes them very much.

As far as the sizes go...I'd stick with the 225 or 215/45. I know the offset is different on the STi rims but I still thing you may have to roll the rear fenders if you go with the 235/45's. Even with the 225 you maybe taking a chance so be prepared to roll the fenders. You may only encounter rubbing under hard corners though.

When I got the KDW2ís they were in 215/45ís. So when I had to bump up to the KDís they didnít make them in that size and I went with the 225ís and had to roll my rear
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Old 09-03-2005, 07:32 PM   #157
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rdy4flt- i think if you mount a tire that wide on the sti wheels the inside of the tire is going to be rubbing the strut before you have fender problems. some spacers could solve that problem though.
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Old 09-04-2005, 06:37 AM   #158
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1) Tanabe DF210 springs (2.0f 1.5r) laugh at me and die.
2) 5Zigen Pro Racer GN+ 17x7.5 +48mm
3) Hankook K104 225/45/17
4) No modifications to prevent rubbing
5) HELL YES IM RUBBING! F*** MAN! S***! it was expected of course. anyone wanna have a fender rolling party in socal? we'll save on that $50 fee to borrow the tool. haha.

before you gimme **** bout my springs, i really dont care so please save the comments, ive heard them all. other than that...who here hates rubbing and can only blame themselves? I DO! hope this helps someone out there.

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Old 09-05-2005, 11:17 PM   #159
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Lowball & abaxter34 - Thanks for the info. Those KDs are pretty awesome, a friend of mine put them on his mustang. I think I'll stick with the KDW's and a 225 size I will not go as wide as the 235, I don't want to have to deal with rolling the fender. I'll have to look into that wheel spacer idea if I do go wider. I just wonder how the KDW's stack up against the KDW2's.

Thanks for your help.

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Old 09-06-2005, 01:29 AM   #160
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Lowball & abaxter34 - Thanks for the info. Those KDs are pretty awesome, a friend of mine put them on his mustang. I think I'll stick with the KDW's and a 225 size I will not go as wide as the 235, I don't want to have to deal with rolling the fender. I'll have to look into that wheel spacer idea if I do go wider. I just wonder how the KDW's stack up against the KDW2's.

Thanks for your help.

Rudi
Rudi,

If you PM winglesswonder (think he is on nasioc and i-club both) or just PM luke at TireRack and they should be able to help you out with the KDW's.

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Old 09-06-2005, 11:45 AM   #161
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Thanks Lowball, I will pm Luke and see what he says. I appreciate the help.

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Rudi,

If you PM winglesswonder (think he is on nasioc and i-club both) or just PM luke at TireRack and they should be able to help you out with the KDW's.

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Old 09-06-2005, 06:14 PM   #162
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Didn't see this combo on here yet... anyone running 225 Kumho Ecsta Supra 712 tires with Prodrive springs on Prodrive P1 17X7 52 offset? So far it seems this combo would not rub I'm not sure though.
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Old 09-06-2005, 06:22 PM   #163
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Didn't see this combo on here yet... anyone running 225 Kumho Ecsta Supra 712 tires with Prodrive springs on Prodrive P1 17X7 52 offset? So far it seems this combo would not rub I'm not sure though.
I ran this exact combo on my 02 wrx wagon (w/ koni insert struts) and I did rub when i was 4 passenger loaded on mild turns. I was only running -1.0* camber in the rear - a little more might have helped out. It was perplexing with the +52 offset....I'm not sure if my wagon was "off spec" because it shouldn't rub.

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Old 10-02-2005, 03:20 PM   #164
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I'm running fully stock suspension with 17x7 ET48 5Zigens and 235/45 Kumhos. They rub like hell when anyone is in the back seats. They also rub even when no one is in the car if I corner aggressively. Does this sound like a problem that can be solved just with tire shrinkage? How far do I probably need to go?
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Old 10-02-2005, 07:45 PM   #165
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anyone know if wagons can use the 16x8 slipstream without rubbing? Subydude says no, but it just doesnt seem right.
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Old 10-02-2005, 08:12 PM   #166
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no, not without fender rolling and even then, it would be a tight fit. I have rolled fenders on my wagon and put on my friend's 17x8 torques with 24/45-17 MX's just to see what it looked like and it was very tight, it probably would have rubbed. With that said, makofoto is running 8" wide wheels on his wagon and gets no rubbing simply because his spring rates are so damn stiff that his suspension doesn't compress enough to even rub.
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Old 10-02-2005, 08:12 PM   #167
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I'm running fully stock suspension with 17x7 ET48 5Zigens and 235/45 Kumhos. They rub like hell when anyone is in the back seats. They also rub even when no one is in the car if I corner aggressively. Does this sound like a problem that can be solved just with tire shrinkage? How far do I probably need to go?
if you go with 225's it shouldn't be a problem. i've got 18x8 a +50 offset with 225's and have no prob. i'm also lowered on eibach springs and the sti wagon struts.
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Old 10-03-2005, 08:20 AM   #168
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1) The lowered suspension set-up you chose (actual drop if available)

Stock

2) The wheels you chose (size & offset).

2004 STi BBS 17x7.5, 53mm offset

3) Your Tire brand and model (confirm that they are 225/45-17).

Pirelli Pzero Nero M+S 225/45ZR17

4) Any modifications made to prevent rubbing?

No

5) Are you rubbing??? (yes or no)

No, not even with hard cornering or with 3 people in the car.
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Old 12-11-2005, 09:40 PM   #169
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Have I mentioned lately that I love NASIOC? I'd be a clueless idiot without it. I'm still an idiot when it comes to my new Sube, but at least I'm not clueless. Anyone out there have recent info to add to this thread? Any '05 wagons?
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Old 12-20-2005, 06:24 PM   #170
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Didn't see anyone running Kosei K1 17x7 (48 offset) with 225/45-17 either Pilot Sports or S-03s. I am trying to decide between Prodrive or SPT wagon lowering springs. Any troubles with these? Why no Koseis? Are they bad? They're light and sleeper.

Awesome thread.

edit: My bad Kosei K1 TS, not Racing, has the proper fitment. Still no data on rubbing, however. mostly considered unattractive it seems.

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Old 02-15-2006, 11:55 AM   #171
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1) The lowered suspension set-up you chose (actual drop if available): stock...for now

2) The wheels you chose (size & offset): 17◊7.5 5x100 48 (Rota Attack)

3) Your Tire brand and model: BF Goodrich KDW's, 225/45/17

4) Any modifications made to prevent rubbing? none

5) Are you rubbing? after a week, no rubbing that I'm aware of
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Old 02-16-2006, 11:25 AM   #172
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Do you guys really think that "The lowered suspension set-up you chose (actual drop if available): " means stock?

I think the subject says it all, this is for lowered wagons, if you're not lowered, don't post your info as it's been proven that stock height is enough to let 225/45's live with out much of an issue at all.

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Old 02-16-2006, 11:26 AM   #173
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Sorry. My mistake.
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Old 02-18-2006, 07:19 PM   #174
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alright, so i'm getting really really worried about this fitment. But i'll be able to report back tomorrow and say if they fit or not... I have
-MY02 WRX Wagon
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If somebody could report back and tell me that i won't rub i'll feel a helluva lot better. I'm going to be prepared to put the stock springs back on until i get prodrive.
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Old 02-20-2006, 03:33 PM   #175
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You'll rub.
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