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Old 02-18-2003, 02:49 PM   #1
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I was at the Chicago auto show yesterday... and the Subaru spokesmodel? said that Road and Track Mag. did a test on the STi
and had 0 to 60 times of 4.4 sec. . Did anybody else hear this and have you seen anything about this test?

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Old 02-18-2003, 02:52 PM   #2
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that is a tasty number. please let it be true.
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Old 02-18-2003, 03:06 PM   #3
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I was at the Chicago auto show yesterday... and the Subaru spokesmodel? said that Road and Track Mag. did a test on the STi
and had 0 to 60 times of 4.4 sec. . Did anybody else hear this and have you seen anything about this test?

FAST!
They probably forgot to mention that they did a redline clutchdrop, the driver was a professional, and his weighed about 160 to 175 pounds.
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Old 02-18-2003, 03:16 PM   #4
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in my other post "Sti 0-60 confirmed", it stated that the Sti 0-60 time was 4.8 by SOA. (actually SOC? Canada)
If R & T really did the STi test and it turned out to be 4.4....all I have to say is WOW.
Still, the best measurement will be to average the various magazine's tests. It shouldn't be too long till we get to see performance numbers of the STi.

When I hear of 0-60 times I never think that it is something that I can do myself, as I know it takes lots of practice and WILL damage your clutch after a few runs. However, I use the 0-60 times as a performance meter as to what the car is capable of.

Eagerly Waiting,

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Old 02-18-2003, 03:23 PM   #5
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I'm sure 4.5-4.6 would be pretty repeatable with near redline clutch drops, assuming you can afford the clutch bills.

The transmission is certainly better equipped than the 5sp to handle it.
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Old 02-18-2003, 09:52 PM   #6
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you gotta love mag test numbers.

1. they dont pay for a new clutch.

2. they dont care for the car. some other schmuck will get it after them.

3. see #1...
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Old 02-18-2003, 10:03 PM   #7
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If it is true (4.4 seconds), it's pretty cool just knowing it CAN do it, never minding how they did it. Not too many cars you can do a redline to dropping the clutch start and still have control of the car. I like it.


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Old 02-18-2003, 11:22 PM   #8
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Damned if you do, Damned if you don't.

I've heard complaints from both sides - if a mag doesn't do whatever it takes to get the fastest times from a car, somebody rags on them for being weak drivers that don't know how to drive.

If they do do what it takes, then they have to take it below the belt yet again from people complaining about how they got those times.

As long as a magazine uses the same relative method to obtain it's times for all the cars it tests, I say it's just fine - compare those times to other times for that magazine only. Cross-comparing times from different magazines is just a recipe for trouble.

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Old 02-19-2003, 02:39 AM   #9
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0-60 is nothing, i want 1/4 times
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Old 02-19-2003, 04:41 AM   #10
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R&T has the rep of moderate times. Now C&D beats on there test cars Lately however R&T had a fast time for the EVO 0-60 5.1/ quarter 13.8@101.5 whereas C&D estimated a weak 5.4 and 14.4
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Old 02-19-2003, 06:32 AM   #11
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Nothing, short of a bike, with only 300hp is ungodly fast...

And the EVO numbers in R&T are Mitsu #s, not tested. As you say, C&Ds are estimates. Until I read either from an actual test, they are all estimates to me...

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Old 02-19-2003, 08:01 AM   #12
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Nothing, short of a bike, with only 300hp is ungodly fast...

And the EVO numbers in R&T are Mitsu #s, not tested. As you say, C&Ds are estimates. Until I read either from an actual test, they are all estimates to me...

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Road and Track didn't test the Evo? They had their usual data panel, so I must have just breezed by the fact that they were using manufacturer's estimates.
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Old 02-19-2003, 08:16 AM   #13
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If I'm not mistaken, every report of the EVO this month (C&D, R&T, Automobile, etc.) is just from the drives they were allowed at the press conference in Thailand. No number testing was allowed. Mitsu. told them 13.8 at this event per C&D. Mitsu also claims sub 5 sec 0-60...which doesn't match up to a 13.8 1/4 IMO

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Road and Track didn't test the Evo? They had their usual data panel, so I must have just breezed by the fact that they were using manufacturer's estimates.
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Old 02-19-2003, 09:18 AM   #14
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Damned if you do, Damned if you don't.

I've heard complaints from both sides - if a mag doesn't do whatever it takes to get the fastest times from a car, somebody rags on them for being weak drivers that don't know how to drive.

If they do do what it takes, then they have to take it below the belt yet again from people complaining about how they got those times.

As long as a magazine uses the same relative method to obtain it's times for all the cars it tests, I say it's just fine - compare those times to other times for that magazine only. Cross-comparing times from different magazines is just a recipe for trouble.

Cheers,

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Good point. I remember Road and Track testing a WRX and Mustang GT (same test). The WRX was 0-60 in 5.6, the Mustang
GT in 6.1.

Mustang owners were not happy. Went on and on about R&T folks not knowing how to drive, etc..

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Old 02-19-2003, 10:18 AM   #15
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If I'm not mistaken, every report of the EVO this month (C&D, R&T, Automobile, etc.) is just from the drives they were allowed at the press conference in Thailand. No number testing was allowed. Mitsu. told them 13.8 at this event per C&D. Mitsu also claims sub 5 sec 0-60...which doesn't match up to a 13.8 1/4 IMO

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R&T has already done some real world testing on the Evo!
Here is the scan article...





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Old 02-19-2003, 10:22 AM   #16
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They probably forgot to mention that they did a redline clutchdrop, the driver was a professional
Is it not that how most of the drag racer on this board drives?
6k RPM clutch slipping launching is the norm for a quick 0-60 or 1/4miles e.t's!

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Old 02-19-2003, 10:36 AM   #17
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I was at the Chicago auto show yesterday... and the Subaru spokesmodel? said that Road and Track Mag. did a test on the STi
and had 0 to 60 times of 4.4 sec. . Did anybody else hear this and have you seen anything about this test? FAST!
Awesome! Did you happen to ask about the quarter mile? Can't wait for that issue!
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Old 02-19-2003, 10:53 AM   #18
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I still can't believe that they put those taillights on the evo. Don't they realize that younger, less "refined" auto-enthusiasts dig those god-aweful altezzas? If I can't afford an STi, I would have considered an evo, but I would need an IMMEDIATE taillight swap with ver. 7.
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Old 02-19-2003, 12:41 PM   #19
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I also read that Road and Track test on the EVO to be their normal full road test. If so, those are very impressive numbers all around, both acceleration, braking and handling. That's a lot of performance for the money. I think Subaru either has to bump up the performance of the WRX or drop the price to compete. I also find the EVO bashing that creeps into this board occasionally a little odd. That EVO motor is pretty well proven and they got very impressive numbers from it. I think their 5 speed is pretty proven too. Styling is subjective, of course, but I think the front mounted intercooler makes for a cleaner front end. It will be very interesting to see how the EVO-WRX-STI battle shakes out.
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Old 02-19-2003, 12:57 PM   #20
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agreed. This car performs as well or better than 90% of the cars they have tested. Many with pricetags several times higher.

I see this developing into a 3 price point competition.

Stripped WRX

Stripped Evo

STi

I don't see a lot of people loading a WRX to the Evo price point, or people loading the Evo to the STi price point.
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Old 02-19-2003, 12:58 PM   #21
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Damned if you do, Damned if you don't.

I've heard complaints from both sides - if a mag doesn't do whatever it takes to get the fastest times from a car, somebody rags on them for being weak drivers that don't know how to drive.

If they do do what it takes, then they have to take it below the belt yet again from people complaining about how they got those times.

As long as a magazine uses the same relative method to obtain it's times for all the cars it tests, I say it's just fine - compare those times to other times for that magazine only. Cross-comparing times from different magazines is just a recipe for trouble.

Cheers,

Paul Hansen

Dude, are you like my long lost twin brother. Just about everything you say is what I'm thinking.

I like to look at Yahoo's Auto section. It list performance dat for most car from several magazine findings and tells you which mag obtained the info. You'll soon notice that Mag A usually reports bettr numbers than Mag B and C. I just wish they would all do a best-effort 0-60 run and an off-idle 0-60 and give the air temp and altitude of the test day.

Made-up Example: 2003 WRX 5sp.

At 2200 ft, 3300# test weight, 85 degrees F: 0-60 off idle = 7.5s
At -10ft, 3235# test weight, 30 degrees F: 0-60 dump = 4.9s

I also like to know 30-50, 50-70, 70-90, etc.
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Old 02-19-2003, 06:33 PM   #22
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one thing that i think every one has missed

does the STI have the clutch proportion valve? like the 2003 wrx

if it did a redline clutch drop wouldn't be any faster than a 4000rpm clutch drop
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Is it not that how most of the drag racer on this board drives?
6k RPM clutch slipping launching is the norm for a quick 0-60 or 1/4miles e.t's!
R&T got their quickest times from the WRX w/ 4k clutch drop...if I remember right (big if!) 5.4 to 60 and 14.4 in the quarter. They also mentioned 16" wheels being a little quicker than 17" b/c they would spin a bit more and allow a full boost launch.
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Old 02-19-2003, 09:12 PM   #24
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USA MY04 SIi

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R&T got their quickest times from the WRX w/ 4k clutch drop...if I remember right (big if!) 5.4 to 60 and 14.4 in the quarter. They also mentioned 16" wheels being a little quicker than 17" b/c they would spin a bit more and allow a full boost launch.
You mean it's a little quicker due to the lighter rims which equates to a lower rotating mass. This will increase wheel horsepower or decrease drivetrain loss whichever you wish to look at it.
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