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Old 02-23-2003, 02:34 PM   #1
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I just got a stage 4+ installed this weekend (ecutek, sti uppipe, TXS stealthback, M2 intercooler, VF34, STi injectors, walbro fuel pump) by Rallispec...

<------My face driving my GF back home from the shop. My GF said that she thought she had whiplash from the force of first gear I didn't expect the tach to go from 3000 to 7000 in a few milliseconds...

The car feels SOOO much smoother in all areas of the powerband, and at all throttle positions. My GF noted the increased smoothness and civility of the power delivery, as per her butt dyno. She even liked the sound of the exhaust better!

And Rallispec: all I can say are good things about them. They are a professional and stand up business and they will most definitely have my repeat business. Although I got lost getting there (a few times--damn you NJ jughandles ), they were great about it and took great care of my car. Dave has been a true pro the whole way, and a lot of other vendors could learn a thing or two about customer service from him.

Sorry to cut the review short... I gotta go out and drive this thing!

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Old 02-23-2003, 03:55 PM   #2
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how much was the install of all that stuff?
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Old 02-23-2003, 04:18 PM   #3
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The install was reasonable. The Ecutek tuning costs $850, and the install of the other stuff pushed the total close to $1500. I had a LOT of stuff to install, and I wanted an operation this big to be installed correctly (read: not by a novice WRX mechanic like me), so I had no qualms about paying for it.

I derive a lot of satisfaction from putting in my own mods, but I have a lot more satisfaction (and peace of mind) knowing that the job was done right.

Like I said, I am SOOOO happy with the work. I have been finding excuses to drive this whole weekend

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Old 02-23-2003, 06:07 PM   #4
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Thats sounds great. I'm having a simular system being put in (greddy fmic,vf30,perrin up and downpipe, txs unichip, sti injectors, and fuel pump.) i was wondering if you have been getting any check engine lights from your new system and how long did it take them to install the whole system. Thanks, Arthur
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Old 02-23-2003, 06:39 PM   #5
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Thats sounds great. I'm having a simular system being put in (greddy fmic,vf30,perrin up and downpipe, txs unichip, sti injectors, and fuel pump.) i was wondering if you have been getting any check engine lights from your new system and how long did it take them to install the whole system. Thanks, Arthur
No CELs, and I have been driving with a lead foot the past 24 hours

I dropped my car off on Thursday night and I picked it up Saturday afternoon. One day was basically spent installing the parts, and the saturday was spent tuning the car itself. Dave and Greg did an awesome job with the tuning... like I said before, the power is SMOOTH and violent at the same time. It's a difficult thing to describe... but you can definitely feel it with the butt dyno

Good luck with the install. With your FMIC, you will probably lose a little down low, but your top end should be even more insane than mine.

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Old 02-23-2003, 07:20 PM   #6
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I want a ride this week. How are the stock brakes handling the new power? Any idea on the power you are making?
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Old 02-23-2003, 07:28 PM   #7
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I will give you a ride this weekend

As for the brakes, I have had no problems yet, but I will be replacing them in the future with STi 4pots/2pots and slotted/crossdrilled DBA rotors.

Power wise, I think I'm making somewhere in the neighborhood of 350hp crank, give or take 15 hp. I think that's about par for stage 4+ setups. Hopefully, I will have it dynoed in the spring.

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Old 02-23-2003, 11:34 PM   #8
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Bob, how does rallispec tune the car ? on the road or dyno ?
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Old 02-23-2003, 11:41 PM   #9
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Bob, how does rallispec tune the car ? on the road or dyno ?
I know that dave can road tune the car, and greg to im sure. But they do have a contract with AWE (air water enterprize) in the philly area for dyno tuning (I spoke with greg about it the other day as he sold me on the ecutec).

I will also say that Rallispec are great guys, and girl. they did a great job on my swap, and any qs. I had after words they responded to Honestly.

O and i wouldnt just go straight to AWE for tuning. I would get Dave, or greg to do it. AWE are v-dub guys, and audi guys.
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Old 02-24-2003, 12:16 AM   #10
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how the stock tranny holding up on the power?

about to purchase a vf34, sti injectors, fuel regulator, and pump.

i think you should upgrade your brakes... as of now, im having problems braking...

and im running alot less then you.
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Old 02-24-2003, 05:34 AM   #11
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vision: It was tuned on the street. So far I have no complaints

atomicapples: I will upgrade my brakes someday, but honestly, I have had no trouble braking the past two days. Admittedly, I probably don't go nearly as fast as some of you out there, but it IS defintely a planned mod.

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Old 02-24-2003, 05:54 AM   #12
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how the stock tranny holding up on the power?

about to purchase a vf34, sti injectors, fuel regulator, and pump.

i think you should upgrade your brakes... as of now, im having problems braking...

and im running alot less then you.
why would anybody have trouble braking? it's not like having more power makes it harder to stop from 100mph than being at stock. or are you getting up to insane speeds? or just braking hard all the time because you're accelerating to higher speeds than before? are you refering to brake fade or stopping faster?

also, brake kits won't help you stop with more force, or faster, than stock brakes. tires will. your stock brakes have enough force to lock the wheels (too much force, locked wheels don't stop as fast as just shy of locking would). so what are bigger rotors going to do? you'll just lock the wheels all the same. there's no way to stop faster short of stickier rubber, increasing rubber surface on the road, and making the car lighter.
bigger brake systems will just reduce fade, maybe change the pedal feel. if you think you can't stop hard enough, just push harder...or get better tires.
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Old 02-24-2003, 08:26 AM   #13
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AWE wont be opened for public dynoing till the end of the month. They are like right up the street from my house! I will also put a good word in for dave and gregg.. They brought my car back from smushed to looking like new



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Old 02-24-2003, 11:55 AM   #14
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why would anybody have trouble braking? it's not like having more power makes it harder to stop from 100mph than being at stock. or are you getting up to insane speeds? or just braking hard all the time because you're accelerating to higher speeds than before? are you refering to brake fade or stopping faster?

also, brake kits won't help you stop with more force, or faster, than stock brakes. tires will. your stock brakes have enough force to lock the wheels (too much force, locked wheels don't stop as fast as just shy of locking would). so what are bigger rotors going to do? you'll just lock the wheels all the same. there's no way to stop faster short of stickier rubber, increasing rubber surface on the road, and making the car lighter.
bigger brake systems will just reduce fade, maybe change the pedal feel. if you think you can't stop hard enough, just push harder...or get better tires.
So you are saying by simply putting upgraded rubber on your car is all you will need to shorten stopping distances? Bob has 18's I guess he is all set . Seriously though, did you read the C&D article comparing brake systems on the WRX? I think that speaks for itself. Obviously a bigger brake system or upgraded rotors and pads will help you reach shorter stopping distances.
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Sounds sweet still debating on stage 4 or stage 6....

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Old 02-24-2003, 08:34 PM   #16
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Sounds sweet still debating on stage 4 or stage 6....

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What is stage 6? Jet-engine???

BTW, I had my first problem with the car today. I tried starting the car today, and the engine turned twice, then died without starting. I waited a second, then I tried again, and had no problem. I stopped and started my car again for good measure a few more times during the night, and had no problem. Hopefully, no more problems like that...

I still can't get over how smooth and civil the car is. Forget the neck-snapping top end, the bottom end is much smoother with what seems like as much or more power down low. I guess the addition of a STi uppipe and TXS stealthback really opened up the flow to the VF34.

The brakes really aren't a problem functionally for me. Like I said, I don't really drive all that fast The only thing I hate is looking at them through my 18" Limix Lineas. They are some of the ugliest brakes I think I have ever had (at least compared to the rest of the car). And that C&D article did prove that brake upgrades decreased stopping distances and just about eliminated fade (thanks WRXURV8!).

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Old 02-24-2003, 08:57 PM   #17
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The brakes really aren't a problem functionally for me. Like I said, I don't really drive all that fast -Bob [/b]
You don't like to drive fast.......good thing you just spent $5,000 to make your car fast as hell
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Old 02-24-2003, 09:17 PM   #18
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You don't like to drive fast.......good thing you just spent $5,000 to make your car fast as hell


Sam, you know I am cheap... I spent NOWHERE NEAR $5000 for my setup. You are off by a few G's...

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So you are saying by simply putting upgraded rubber on your car is all you will need to shorten stopping distances? Bob has 18's I guess he is all set . Seriously though, did you read the C&D article comparing brake systems on the WRX? I think that speaks for itself. Obviously a bigger brake system or upgraded rotors and pads will help you reach shorter stopping distances.
i haven't read this article. i have read articles by engineers on the subject.
were they using the same exact setup and just changing the brakes? what sort of speeds were they stopping from?
my point is this:
no matter what force you apply to the rotors, the only thing stopping your car is friction between the road and your tires. if you have a bigger brake kit, are you stopping on ice any faster?

if you already have the power to threshold brake, and go beyond threshold to full lock, you have the maximum power needed to stop the wheel from rotating. sticky tires = better stopping distances. according to physics the type of pad, the size of the rotor, etc, has nothing to do with stopping the car. these matters only affect heat, pedal feel, smoothness of application, how much power a person has to exert to get a specific amount at the rotor, and fade. when you exceed the maximum amount of stopping force possible with your tires, the car begins to slide. it's no different than accelerating or turning when it comes to traction.


i would not be surprised if the gains from that article were slight and due to the driver not pressing hard enough with the stock brakes, or perhaps fade developing quicker on the stock setup over upgraded brakes. that fade could be adjusted for by applying more force. perhaps the pad material retains more of its friction as they heat. i can see minimal braking distance gains from this, but overall they should not have a direct effect on your stopping. not as great an effect as getting sticker tires with a wider contact patch.
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Old 02-24-2003, 11:26 PM   #20
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cyrilgrey, good points... the article in C&D Sept. 2002 (p121-124) actually raised the same hypotheses

However, their results found that, by only changing the brakes, there was an improvement by all aftermarket brake systems (90-0 stop: Stoptech 297ft avg out of 25 stops/ 290ft best vs. OEM 340ft avg/317 best is an example). Even just changing the brake pads to Hawk pads improved stopping distances. The best distances stock did not come close to the average from the aftermarket brake kits.

It is quite an interesting article... I would scan it if I could for you.

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interesting....that's quite an improvement at those speeds but i suppose well within the bounds of developing fade, etc.

i'll be changing my brake pads now thank you
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