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Old 02-18-2003, 06:01 PM   #1
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Default Whats the biggest object you can fit in a Baja?

Im debating wheather or not you can fit a 2WD 4 wheeler in the back of one.
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Old 02-18-2003, 10:19 PM   #2
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Honestly the biggest thing we ever got in our baja is the specialty bikes from our weekend job (good for extra cash, bad for going to meets )
we fit either a slingshot, quad, or chopper in it!!

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dorky yes but when i find the time i'm buying one and putting 25 hp motor on the back
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Old 02-19-2003, 01:48 PM   #3
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Putting an ATV (even a small one) in the back of a Baja will do two things: 1) Upset the vehicle's front-to-rear weight distribution. The Baja has a huge amount of rear overhang, and putting an ATV in the back will put a heck of a lot of weight aft the rear axle. ... And, 2) you will most likely exceed the vehicle's payload capacity. Even though it's a pick-um-up, the Baja has a measly 800 pound payload rating, which is LOWER* than any other Subaru sold in North America.

* = All other Subarus have 900 pound payload. This payload rating is in your owners manual, as well as on the front driver's door jam.

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Old 02-20-2003, 01:21 PM   #4
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Whats 100lbs? Anyways its not a real pickup. It's not supposed to be. The benefit is having similar utility to a pickup truck but on a passenger car platform for comfort, handling, and economy. You go ahead and buy one of those POS Ford Exploder "Sport-Tracs". Be my guest.
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Old 02-20-2003, 04:01 PM   #5
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Whats 100lbs? Anyways its not a real pickup. It's not supposed to be. The benefit is having similar utility to a pickup truck but on a passenger car platform for comfort, handling, and economy. You go ahead and buy one of those POS Ford Exploder "Sport-Tracs". Be my guest.
Of course it's not a "real" pickup, but it is a pickup of sorts, no matter how you slice it.. Nevertheless—if anything it should have a higher payload, not a lower payload. A 800 pound payload is lousy no matter what kind of vehicle it's applied to.

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Old 02-23-2003, 01:19 PM   #6
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Again, thats based on a passenger car platform and probably in part to the amount of rear overhang.

If you want a real truck there are real trucks out there. Your average Joe Schmoe will never haul more than 800lbs at a time. If you plan on hauling more than that then Subarus are obviously not for you.

Alot of us value the fact that Subarus are all built on passenger car platforms for economy, performance, handling, and comfort. You get none of that in vehicles like the Nissan Frontier Crew Cab, Ford Explorer sport trac, Toyota Tacoma, etc. And they cost more when comparably equipped. Not to mention 4 wheel drive is OPTIONAL on those, not standard AWD as with Subaru.
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Old 02-23-2003, 06:30 PM   #7
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Again, thats based on a passenger car platform and probably in part to the amount of rear overhang.

If you want a real truck there are real trucks out there. Your average Joe Schmoe will never haul more than 800lbs at a time. If you plan on hauling more than that then Subarus are obviously not for you.

Alot of us value the fact that Subarus are all built on passenger car platforms for economy, performance, handling, and comfort. You get none of that in vehicles like the Nissan Frontier Crew Cab, Ford Explorer sport trac, Toyota Tacoma, etc. And they cost more when comparably equipped. Not to mention 4 wheel drive is OPTIONAL on those, not standard AWD as with Subaru.
There's no reason a car-based pickup can't be a bit "beefier" than the car upon which it is based. With the Baja, Subaru went in the opposite (WRONG!) direction, by giving it less payload than the Outback (or any Subaru), upon which it is based. That's about as stupid a thing as Subaru could have done!

An 800-pound payload means "0" cargo payload if you're hauling four 200-pound passengers! In fact, I bet the reason the Baja is a 4-passenger vehicle is because if it were a 5-passenger vehicle (like other Subarus), you could overload it way too easily. The Baja should at least match other Subaru payloads (900 pounds). Better still, it should have at least a 1000–1200 pound payload, IMO.

The trucks you mention have payloads of 1200–1600 pounds. Speaking of the Explorer Sport Trac: Subaru makes direct comparisons with this vehicle in some of their ads. Therefore, if Subaru takes it upon themselves to compare these two vehicles, then payload ratings are fair game...

Lastly, one of the big reasons nobody is buying Bajas, is because it's ability to handle "work" is virtually nonexistent. If it could handle another 100–400 pounds, we wouldn't be having this discussion!

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Old 02-24-2003, 09:46 AM   #8
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it's not hard to overload these cars that 100 lbs does make it completely useless to carry stuff

i weight 210, so i'd already be down to 590 lbs of carrying
i take my friend he weighs about 250
bam down to 340, 340!?

yeah a surfboard, or a bike, or a single dirt bike, all of which could be carried in the back of an outback and the outback would still have room for another passenger w/ the 60/40 seat.

it's not a truck it has no utility of a truck except a basically nonfunctoinal bed,

i have had over 900lbs in my car, my car which is lighter to begin with and it struggles to accelerate, it only has probably 5-10hp less now than the baja stock, i would not want to have that car fully loaded

as i've said before if they're gonna make the thing a truck they should make it a truck,
it needs to be able to be lifted, the approach and depatrutre angles are worse than the outback, the rear overhang is much more than the OB
it's just not usefull in any way
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Old 03-02-2003, 12:54 PM   #9
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OK....given that the Baja is built upon the Legacy a passenger car platform.....try cramming 900lbs of stuff in an Altima.

I never said the Baja would be a good choice for everyone.
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Old 03-02-2003, 02:56 PM   #10
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I must say that in my opinion they weren't designed to haul mountains of stuff. They were designed to be unique. Take it to the beach a few friends and a coupla surfboards, how about the mountains? take the same w/ a coupla snowboards/skis. Got a family? this is the perfect car for a dog and some picnic/ beach gear.

But besideds all that. When we first got our apt we used it to transport all of our belongings from apt to apt. 36 in screen tv, full sized bed, entertainment center, not to mention the bags of clothes my gf has ! I honestly never read about the limit so It doesn't apply to me

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Old 03-02-2003, 04:01 PM   #11
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OK....given that the Baja is built upon the Legacy a passenger car platform.....try cramming 900lbs of stuff in an Altima.

I never said the Baja would be a good choice for everyone.
Think of it this way: If you put five 175 pound people in the Altima (which is not unreasonable to assume), you're at 875 pounds. That allows you to put 25 pounds in the trunk, without overloading it. That's of course assuming the Altima is also has a 900 pound payload rating, which I don't know.

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Old 03-02-2003, 04:10 PM   #12
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I must say that in my opinion they weren't designed to haul mountains of stuff. They were designed to be unique. Take it to the beach a few friends and a coupla surfboards, how about the mountains? take the same w/ a coupla snowboards/skis. Got a family? this is the perfect car for a dog and some picnic/ beach gear.

But besideds all that. When we first got our apt we used it to transport all of our belongings from apt to apt. 36 in screen tv, full sized bed, entertainment center, not to mention the bags of clothes my gf has ! I honestly never read about the limit so It doesn't apply to me

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But it might apply to others who are considering buying the vehicle.

So far, since its September release, I seen exactly two Bajas on the road. TWO! In contrast, I see at least two Explorer Sport Tracs a day, usually more... Both these vehicles are aimed at the exact same audience—or at least Subaru seems to think so, since they make reference to the Sport Trac in their ads.

Say what you will about the Sport Trac (and I'll probably agree with you), but at least it offers the "capability" that's MIA with the Baja. More importantly, customers also seem to recognize that fact too.

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Old 03-03-2003, 07:38 PM   #13
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I looked up the payload rating at SOA today (where I work) and its roughly 1000lbs. More than enough for my needs, but maybe not for yours. Thats fine. Take into consideration those are probably conservative ratings.
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Old 03-03-2003, 09:36 PM   #14
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I looked up the payload rating at SOA today (where I work) and its roughly 1000lbs. More than enough for my needs, but maybe not for yours. Thats fine. Take into consideration those are probably conservative ratings.
Where did you look this up? I've gotten my info from the label on the driver's door jam, and/or the owners manual.

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I found it in a memo from Product Planning. This was a few months ago. I'll check to see if it has been revised.
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Old 03-05-2003, 12:47 PM   #16
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Default Don't be studip...

Do yourself a favour and don't even try it... You should have seen the bed of my old pick up from carrying you ATV!!!

Get yourself a good Hide-a-hitch and a small trailer!!!!

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Do yourself a favour and don't even try it... You should have seen the bed of my old pick up from carrying you ATV!!!

Get yourself a good Hide-a-hitch and a small trailer!!!!

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I agree. A small trailer is the answer to the ATV question.

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Old 03-12-2003, 10:54 PM   #18
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Default Speaking of payload ratings...

As I had mentioned that the Baja has the lowest payload of any Subie sold in North America, at 800 pounds. All other Subies sold here have payloads of 900 pounds.

I noticed CR listed the payloads of all the vehicles mentioned in the CR Auto issue in one big table. Here are some other interesting payloads mentioned:

Ford Excursion = 1,630
Ford Explorer Sport Trac = 1,190 (the Baja's closest competitor)
Ford Escape = 900
Ford Explorer = 1,325
Ford Expedition = 1,400
Ford Ranger = 1,210
Honda Element = 675
Honda CRV = 850
Honda Pilot = 1,320
Honda S2000 = 400
Isuzu Rodeo = 915
Jeep Grand Cherokee = 1,100
Jeep Liberty = 1,150
Jeep Wrangler = 800
Land Rover Freelander = 905
Mazda Miata = 340
Mini Cooper = 815
Nissan Murano = 860
Nissan Pathfinder = 1,030
Nissan Frontier = 915
Toyota Highlander = 925
Toyota Land Cruiser = 1,249
Toyota Rav4 = 760
Toyota Tacoma = 1,225

As to pickups, even those listed here, a lot depends on configuration. For example, I know some Nissan Frontiers have a much higher rating than the 915 listed here.

Also, CR didn't have ratings for some vehicles, such as the new 4Runner.

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As I said before, the payload rating is about 1000lbs for both the manual and automatic models.
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As I said before, the payload rating is about 1000lbs for both the manual and automatic models.
Yeah, if you consider being 20% off equal to "about."

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If you wanted exact numbers you could have asked nicely

Payload Capacities:

1,070 pounds for the manual transmission 2003 Baja

1,005 pounds for the automatic transmission 2003 Baja
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If you wanted exact numbers you could have asked nicely

Payload Capacities:

1,070 pounds for the manual transmission 2003 Baja

1,005 pounds for the automatic transmission 2003 Baja
That's incorrect!

Go to any Subie dealer, open the driver's door on a Baja, look on the door jam, and you will see a label clearly stating 800 pound load limit. It's also in the owners manual, and CR even states it to be 800 pounds.

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Old 04-11-2003, 12:47 PM   #23
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Go to any Subie dealer, open the driver's door on a Baja, look on the door jam, and you will see a label clearly stating 800 pound load limit. It's also in the owners manual, and CR even states it to be 800 pounds.

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that's 15lbs less than the mini cooper! what a joke!
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Old 04-14-2003, 04:15 PM   #24
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Here are some other interesting payloads mentioned:
Honda Element = 675
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Honda S2000 = 400
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Mazda Miata = 340
So four full sized dudes will overload the new Honda Element!?! That's amazing!
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Samirr76: where you look up that info?

Maybe their lawyers are a bit conservative, but why post a lower number on the door jamb than they do for a much smaller RS sedan?

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